New Amsoil European Viscosities

edyvw said:
True. However, what about MB229.51/52 etc. They threw a lot of approvals that are contrary to each other. In practice, it might not matter. But their marketing is absolutely shameless.
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The problem you have isn't your slavish addiction to approvals, it's your blindness to the fact that oil companies can actually make better oils than a manufacturer recommends. If you can't even acknowledge this as a possibility, then why do you even come to BITOG? Just use approved oils.
 
Here is a VOA of the 5w30 from 2 years ago. I thought I recently saw a UOA with the Euro that showed a lower oxidation reading of 10. I'm not positive on that though. (not that it matters).

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OVERKILL said:
Must have missed it in your rantings ;)

Of the three oils with approvals, only one of them has a single manufacturer's approvals, the other two have approvals from 3 and 2 different OEM's respectively, so I don't think it's fair to claim they usually only have one approval, that strikes me as unnecessary, and intentionally inflammatory, hyperbole.
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Ok. I said usually, but I guess I supposed to be more specific.

Still, this 0W30 is nothing but shameless marketing to catch unsuspected customers who “wonder” what they should use.
And 10W60 looks right in time for E46 M3.
 
Pablo said:
The problem you have isn't your slavish addiction to approvals, it's your blindness to the fact that oil companies can actually make better oils than a manufacturer recommends. If you can't even acknowledge this as a possibility, then why do you even come to BITOG? Just use approved oils.
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Approvals are minimum requirements. Approvals are not denied bcs. oil doesn’t meet that minimum requirement and it exceeds.

That being said, my reaction was not about approvals initially. I stated that if Amspil wanted to convince us that oil meets all these contradictory specifications, they could just approve oil.
Amsoil states that oil “meets” various contradictory approvals that no other oil does. And we should just trust Amsoil because? Amsoil is welfare company? The whole point of approvals is precisely to protect customers from companies like Amsoil.
 
The 0w-30 fills a great void for people like myself who need the 0w rating for my winters and don’t want to buy a Mobil ESP oil.

It would be nice to have the 0w-30 approved, but maybe that will be coming soon.
 
SynOilFan said:
The 0w-30 fills a great void for people like myself who need the 0w rating for my winters and don’t want to buy a Mobil ESP oil.

It would be nice to have the 0w-30 approved, but maybe that will be coming soon.
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Just curious, what's wrong with the Mobil ESP oil?
 
Nothing wrong with it. I just choose to support a company founded by a veteran and not a large company.
 
Pablo said:
The whole point?

OK. Wow. Your opinion changed! :LOL:
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Yes. The whole idea behind approvals was for customers to know that that oil is approved for their vehicle.

You don’t have problem with me, but your marketing department. You can actually send them proposal to approve this oil, post approval here and I will post every day how Pablo was 100% right and I was wrong.
But, even if you do, Amsoil won’t ever get those approvals.
Which means, that all comes down to Amsoil’s opinion. And my opinion is that it is nothing but scam. And that is as fair as Amsoil opinion that their oil is meeting all these specifications.
 
SynOilFan said:
Nothing wrong with it. I just choose to support a company founded by a veteran and not a large company.
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Thanks, nothing wrong with supporting something you believe in. I thought you found something wrong with the ESP oil, which is why I asked. I'm sure your car will do just fine with Amsoil in the sump.
 
Zee09 said:
How come the Europeans go overboard on oil approvals and don't have approvals for filtration? (Emissions aside)

What good is any oil if the filtration is suspect? The oil filter approval licensing would be another revenue stream for them. Recommend is not approved. Are they simply in cahoots with big oil?
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Approvals aren't a revenue stream for European automakers. If a blender wants a approval they pay for the testing. Automakers aren't in the business of conducting tests free of charge for every blend which figuratively walks through the door.
 
Pablo said:
The problem you have isn't your slavish addiction to approvals, it's your blindness to the fact that oil companies can actually make better oils than a manufacturer recommends. If you can't even acknowledge this as a possibility, then why do you even come to BITOG? Just use approved oils.
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As @edyvw has said numerous times the approvals mentioned under the 0w30 have characteristics which conflict with each other. The only one I see LL01FE(2018) vs the others. Per Lubrizol the min TBN for LL01FE is 9.5. The TBN for the 0w30 is 8.4. How do you square that? Is Amsoil blending to an revised BMW cert which Lubrizol hasn't added to their performance tool? I'm genuinely curious.

On a side note the HTHS is fine because 3.5 is the min or max for all of the certs listed. (LL01FE has a max of 3.5)
 
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BMWTurboDzl said:
As @edyvw has said numerous times the approvals mentioned under the 0w30 have characteristics which conflict with each other. The only one I see LL01FE(2018) vs the others. Per Lubrizol the min TBN for LL01FE is 9.5. The TBN for the 0w30 is 8.4. How do you square that? Is Amsoil blending to an revised BMW cert which Lubrizol hasn't added to their performance tool? I'm genuinely curious.

On a side note the HTHS is fine because 3.5 is the min or max for all of the certs listed. (LL01FE has a max of 3.5)
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Starting TBN is almost meaningless in 2023. While 8.4 v 9.5 seems like a relatively large difference, all motor oils drop to below 6-7 (most lower) within a few hundred miles and it means what? Not much at all.

Discussed here: https://bobistheoilguy.com/forums/t...-vs-zinc-in-engine-oils-lake-speed-jr.369667/
 
Zee09 said:
How come the Europeans go overboard on oil approvals and don't have approvals for filtration? (Emissions aside)

What good is any oil if the filtration is suspect? The oil filter approval licensing would be another revenue stream for them. Recommend is not approved. Are they simply in cahoots with big oil?
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Because oil is good for a lot of things, not just SAPS level or HT/HS as being discussed here. Things like deposit formation, ring sticking, sludge formation, shear stability, elastomer compatibility, foaming resistance, etc. Plenty of things to worry about with oil in and of itself, filters are another set of worries.

Each to its own.
 
Pablo said:
Starting TBN is almost meaningless in 2023. While 8.4 v 9.5 seems like a relatively large difference, all motor oils drop to below 6-7 (most lower) within a few hundred miles and it means what? Not much at all.

Discussed here: https://bobistheoilguy.com/forums/t...-vs-zinc-in-engine-oils-lake-speed-jr.369667/
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That's an opinion which is irrelevant to the requirements of the cert in question. So again. If the 0w30 doesn't meet the min TBN required of LL01FE then?????
 
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