This is why I just stick to my filter Fram OCOD... Just kidding Motorcraft!
Never using a pureone again.
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I've been using P1 and M1 filters for quite some time, I have no problems to report. I use a cap wrench so I'm not running the risk of crushing them, and I install them myself so removing them is never an issue. I don't drive off road, and the filter location on all three of my vehicles makes puncturing one just about impossible. IMO the P1 is a very good filter for the money.
Visiting the link where the can thickness was measured, it looks to me like they are about average thickness.
Visiting the link where the can thickness was measured, it looks to me like they are about average thickness.
Yeah, it seems like the only much thicker cans are the one's that are for extended OCI primarily.
What I have used the most is probably a close tie between P1 & Napa Gold. I have never had a canister fail.
Originally Posted By: goodtimes
I just meant the consensus developing that P1's have thin cans, thinner than others. It seemed to be already assumed to be true.
I see what you are saying. FWIW, I open every oil filter box before I purchase to make sure it has no dents or signs of damage. I've had oil filters from various brands get handled poorly and have a ding here/there, and just to be safe I avoid them.
I just meant the consensus developing that P1's have thin cans, thinner than others. It seemed to be already assumed to be true.
I see what you are saying. FWIW, I open every oil filter box before I purchase to make sure it has no dents or signs of damage. I've had oil filters from various brands get handled poorly and have a ding here/there, and just to be safe I avoid them.
i can see why people are "worried" about thinner oil filter cans. but wouldnt this argument apply equally to basic car chassis material?
for those who want a "thicker" metal can, does that mean you want a steel car vs an aluminum car?
there are metal alloys out there that are strong in durability while thin at the same time...
for those who want a "thicker" metal can, does that mean you want a steel car vs an aluminum car?
there are metal alloys out there that are strong in durability while thin at the same time...
The p1 for my car is the PL14670.
i use motorcraft also but there are very few threads on the base where it screws onto the engine on the fl-820s
i think the p1 filter filters very good maybe too good that it restricts the flow a bit i like the classic better because of this i think it has better flow
In ~40yrs diy oil changes can thickness never been an issue, even with an orange can. As for can being crushed/bent upon removal, sounds like installer error, ie., overtightening and/or gasket not adequately lubed. P1 one of the easiest to install, hand tighten with texture, easy to remove by hand or cap wrench to start. Also, recently shown here by daman, P1 thickness similar to/same as other standard filters.
Also as rive_rats filter study showed P1 one of the best in filtration. And, despite persistent myth(again mentioned here), SuperBusa Purolator email post shows and confirmed in r_r's filter study the P1 has excellent flow characteristics.
Bang for the buck for ~7.5K OCI, hard to beat at ~$3-5.
Also as rive_rats filter study showed P1 one of the best in filtration. And, despite persistent myth(again mentioned here), SuperBusa Purolator email post shows and confirmed in r_r's filter study the P1 has excellent flow characteristics.
Bang for the buck for ~7.5K OCI, hard to beat at ~$3-5.
Originally Posted By: goodtimes
From what I have seen, like the RP factory video shows, the seam breaks open first.
Here are some facts, from your own recent BITOG:
https://bobistheoilguy.com/forums/threads/oil-filters-can-thickness-measurements-w-pics.144992/
I don't use the P1, or the Wix, and don't care which is better.
I almost bet this will be skipped right over, and the same rumor creating stuff will be repeated.
The person that did the measuring should have scraped the grit so it was smooth. Measuring otherwise gives a false reading.
From what I have seen, like the RP factory video shows, the seam breaks open first.
Here are some facts, from your own recent BITOG:
https://bobistheoilguy.com/forums/threads/oil-filters-can-thickness-measurements-w-pics.144992/
I don't use the P1, or the Wix, and don't care which is better.
I almost bet this will be skipped right over, and the same rumor creating stuff will be repeated.
The person that did the measuring should have scraped the grit so it was smooth. Measuring otherwise gives a false reading.
Originally Posted By: poiuy223
i can see why people are "worried" about thinner oil filter cans. but wouldnt this argument apply equally to basic car chassis material?
for those who want a "thicker" metal can, does that mean you want a steel car vs an aluminum car?
there are metal alloys out there that are strong in durability while thin at the same time...
I doubt they're using a metal alloy, unless it's cheaper material.
i can see why people are "worried" about thinner oil filter cans. but wouldnt this argument apply equally to basic car chassis material?
for those who want a "thicker" metal can, does that mean you want a steel car vs an aluminum car?
there are metal alloys out there that are strong in durability while thin at the same time...
I doubt they're using a metal alloy, unless it's cheaper material.
To the OP, if you don't like the P1, don't use it. There's no reason why you need to defend why you don't want to use it. Some people on here are very touchy about their brand of filter, which in this case is a P1. I've personnly had great results with P1 14610. Do a search and you see some used ones that I cut open.
What the heck is with this notion that everyone who criticizes the OP must be a P1 fanboy? For most of the people who have posted, it's not about the filter. It's about the fact that his reasons for criticizing it are suspect, and he is either unwilling or unable to substantiate them.
Plus, it's not like we're trolling him in other threads or tracking him down and harassing him in real life for what he said. He put his thoughts out there on the Internet for all of us to see and comment on. He got responses. That's how a forum is supposed to work. If you don't want to be subject to disagreement, don't post. It's that simple.
Plus, it's not like we're trolling him in other threads or tracking him down and harassing him in real life for what he said. He put his thoughts out there on the Internet for all of us to see and comment on. He got responses. That's how a forum is supposed to work. If you don't want to be subject to disagreement, don't post. It's that simple.
Originally Posted By: d00df00d
What the heck is with this notion that everyone who criticizes the OP must be a P1 fanboy? For most of the people who have posted, it's not about the filter. It's about the fact that his reasons for criticizing it are suspect, and he is either unwilling or unable to substantiate them.
Plus, it's not like we're trolling him in other threads or tracking him down and harassing him in real life for what he said. He put his thoughts out there on the Internet for all of us to see and comment on. He got responses. That's how a forum is supposed to work. If you don't want to be subject to disagreement, don't post. It's that simple.
+1, that's how I see it too.
I posted an oil additives thread which basically mentions additives I don't need, but want to try to use. I know it's overkill for my applications, and probably my motor oil is as well. I don't care about people disagreeing, I'm simply trying to see what kind of feel the board has since I'm new to the game(lets just say I just got to the legal age of drinking not too long ago)...
What the heck is with this notion that everyone who criticizes the OP must be a P1 fanboy? For most of the people who have posted, it's not about the filter. It's about the fact that his reasons for criticizing it are suspect, and he is either unwilling or unable to substantiate them.
Plus, it's not like we're trolling him in other threads or tracking him down and harassing him in real life for what he said. He put his thoughts out there on the Internet for all of us to see and comment on. He got responses. That's how a forum is supposed to work. If you don't want to be subject to disagreement, don't post. It's that simple.
+1, that's how I see it too.
I posted an oil additives thread which basically mentions additives I don't need, but want to try to use. I know it's overkill for my applications, and probably my motor oil is as well. I don't care about people disagreeing, I'm simply trying to see what kind of feel the board has since I'm new to the game(lets just say I just got to the legal age of drinking not too long ago)...
Originally Posted By: d00df00d
What the heck is with this notion that everyone who criticizes the OP must be a P1 fanboy?
I'm going to guess this was directed to me. Try actually reading my post and understand it before you make a reply. I said "SOME" not "EVERYONE" and there are SOME P1 fanyboy out there.
What the heck is with this notion that everyone who criticizes the OP must be a P1 fanboy?
I'm going to guess this was directed to me. Try actually reading my post and understand it before you make a reply. I said "SOME" not "EVERYONE" and there are SOME P1 fanyboy out there.
Originally Posted By: Silver02ex
I'm going to guess this was directed to me. Try actually reading my post and understand it before you make a reply. I said "SOME" not "EVERYONE" and there are SOME P1 fanyboy out there.
It wasn't just you. I picked your post to respond to because it was the most recent one to indicate that sentiment.
The vast majority of posts in this thread have exhibited no fanboyism whatsoever, and most of the discussion has been centered on fact. That doesn't mean you're wrong; it just means the existence of P1 fanboys is a red herring here.
I'm going to guess this was directed to me. Try actually reading my post and understand it before you make a reply. I said "SOME" not "EVERYONE" and there are SOME P1 fanyboy out there.
It wasn't just you. I picked your post to respond to because it was the most recent one to indicate that sentiment.
The vast majority of posts in this thread have exhibited no fanboyism whatsoever, and most of the discussion has been centered on fact. That doesn't mean you're wrong; it just means the existence of P1 fanboys is a red herring here.
I agree with bigmike. The measurements of can thickness aren't fact. You could be measuring a rolled edge from cutting it open or the thick paint. If you argue this point about being thin, there is no way you have ever cut one open. I'm not saying it effects anything but it's not as stout as pretty much every other filter. It has a thin/soft whatever can is fact.
As far as me not backing my statements up with facts. Tell me what you want? I haven't stated anything like these filters don't work or don't filter. Everything I said is easy to prove. Go buy a rp, wix/napa gold, m1, and p1. Cut them open look for yourself. Well to see the wavy media you would have to use the filters first, and that depends more on the size of filter used. Someone will probably ask why I didn't say compare a st filter because I've never used one in my car. I just took one off of a friend's car and was very impressed. I will use one in my car sooner or later.
Denting the cans when I remove them. When I put oil filters on I dip my finger in the new oil and rub it onto the new filter's gasket. Then I spin the filters on and make 3/4 to 1 turn after the filter's gasket makes contact with the engine.
As far as me not backing my statements up with facts. Tell me what you want? I haven't stated anything like these filters don't work or don't filter. Everything I said is easy to prove. Go buy a rp, wix/napa gold, m1, and p1. Cut them open look for yourself. Well to see the wavy media you would have to use the filters first, and that depends more on the size of filter used. Someone will probably ask why I didn't say compare a st filter because I've never used one in my car. I just took one off of a friend's car and was very impressed. I will use one in my car sooner or later.
Denting the cans when I remove them. When I put oil filters on I dip my finger in the new oil and rub it onto the new filter's gasket. Then I spin the filters on and make 3/4 to 1 turn after the filter's gasket makes contact with the engine.
The wavy media just looks like they have such deep pleats that aren't supported very well. When the oil starts flowing the pleats sandwich and flow with the oil.
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