Never using a pureone again.

[Texan4Life]

Originally Posted By: shpankey
...The Pure 1 oil filter has collapsed quite badly and I was in utter shock!

I'm going to make a thread and post the pics in it later today but to say I'm surprised is saying the least...


Can't wait for the post!

 

[webfors]

Originally Posted By: iunderpressure
You give reasons why you like certain filters in your application, but then you say ecores are just too much risk. Is that a blanket statement or not?

I agree with whatever makes you feel good.


https://bobistheoilguy.com/forums/threads/2-x-e-core-shocker-20k-fram-p-classic-pics.126890/

I have reasons.... it's my burden to bare. Everyone is allowed their bias. So yes... my ecore blanket statement is just as useless in the eyes of some.

 

[Gary Allan]

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When these products are discussed contrary to popular beliefs the group think mentality sure comes out.


You of the same silly delusion that I'm suffering under.
You too expect them to make sense ...mainly to themselves. Unfortunately, the crickets will deafen you with the silence generated when they have not a peep in plausible rational to sustain their behaviors.

Give up. They're a lost cause. They see nothing wrong with having obvious unbalanced and slanted views, and if they can't be honest to themselves, do you really think they have the ability to be honest and candid with others?

I think they're in need of help, but then again, they're not distressed by the character defects ...so I guess they can carry on in self deluded righteousness.

or ..are they purposely disingenuous? I guess you can take your pick. Profoundly disturbed or just a real unscrupulous person.

 

[ltslimjim]

^Ah! My bwains! ...that hurt my head.

 

[ZeeOSix]

Would I stop using a filter because someone thinks the can is too thin ... yet measurements comparing the can thickness shows it to be basically the same as all others? And there have been no reported cases on chat boards of can failures/leaks by multitudes of users due to said "thin can"?

Yet, when I see multiple photos of blown through media on ecore filters just on this chat board alone, I definitely decide NOT to use them for the obvious reasons.

Facts are a funny thing sometimes.

 

[Sayjac]

OT What I find curious with the recent chirping regarding alleged bias of some commenting on P1 here, is those making the allegations could for instance, regularly defend Amsoil or even ARX products. But when doing that, those individuals separate themselves because in their own mind they have somehow risen above fray to set things straight.

Thankfully, I've never felt the need to post and refer to those folks as disturbed, unscrupulous or disingenuous. Just felt, like here, they were posting the facts as they know them to be or had experienced them. Seems here though, the distinction is who's doing the posting and about what product. Since it's been mentioned though, it does make me wonder now who is truly deluding themselves when commenting about other posters here?

As for the topic of the thread, as mentioned, totally speculation based on what could happen because the can was easily cut open. Even though, IME it's never been an issue in real world use, guess I should stop using P1?

 

[Gary Allan]

err..you forgot "lacking plausible explanation for 'why' they act the way they do".

Disclosed individuals are honest. People who are just hounding a product and then selectively defending another when it finds itself in the same position are liars. Either to themselves or to others if they say they don't have a bias or remain silent when asked.

Then again, no one has to justify themselves to me ..but for some people ..I can't see how they justify what the do to themselves. They're invisible to themselves.

 

[Sayjac]

I also wouldn't label other posters as liars and/or the other previously used provocative terms because in some realms it could easily be considered libelous. That would be especially true lacking any proof of any disceptive intent.

One would think folks in the position as site sponsors etc., wouldn't want to place themselves in a libelous position. Then again, perhaps that is the very reason for their bluster.

And again, nowhere is the subject of original topic addressed, just a convenient opportunity to take potshots at other posters on this thread.

 

[Gary Allan]

and can you see where I am even specifying anyone in particular? I'm reporting a behavioral observation. So "sue me"

..and if someone is either being disingenuous out of total lack of self awareness ..or out of purposeful (and perhaps "jabbing") deceptive behavior ...they're still either liars in numbness to their own character flaws ..or just really "bad" people that you would never teach someone to raise a child up to be.

..but ..that said, I really hope that your (and anyone's) kids grew up JUST LIKE DAD. It's the standing testimony to your life's work in living tribute. The gift that keeps on giving.

Oh, as I've said many times. PureOne filters are great. I've used them many times without complaint. Any and all filters can and will have issues from time to time. Such is the case with all mass produced products where millions are rolled off of assembly lines. To judge any filter by a handful of examples is as unwise as defending any filter as though the incident never happened. Defensive behaviors usually indicate other personality aspects that have little to nothing to do with the topic. If a filter fails ..it fails ..get over it ..it's not your relative. It's a filter and cannot love you back ..as much as it appears you think so.

 

[Shagger]

Originally Posted By: sayjac
In ~40yrs diy oil changes can thickness never been an issue, even with an orange can. As for can being crushed/bent upon removal, sounds like installer error, ie., overtightening and/or gasket not adequately lubed. P1 one of the easiest to install, hand tighten with texture, easy to remove by hand or cap wrench to start. Also, recently shown here by daman, P1 thickness similar to/same as other standard filters.

Also as rive_rats filter study showed P1 one of the best in filtration. And, despite persistent myth(again mentioned here), SuperBusa Purolator email post shows and confirmed in r_r's filter study the P1 has excellent flow characteristics.

Bang for the buck for ~7.5K OCI, hard to beat at ~$3-5.


Agree on ALL points!

 

[Shagger]

Originally Posted By: ZeeOSix
Facts are a funny thing sometimes.

Don't let facts get in the way of your opinions!

 

[Sayjac]

And once again, you failed to address the specific topic of the thread and reasoning which led to counter points of view expressed here. Instead rather, seizing the opportunity to spout your own overwrought judgmental opinion of other posters.

Perhaps your misplaced bluster here indicates some sort defense mechanism of your own, projection? But, not being a psychologist or being disposed to portraying one (as some seem to be) on these boards I can't really say.

And again, it seems that these "defensive behaviors" of which you speak seem to be labeled with selectivity depending on the product and the poster(s) involved. As mentioned, I've seen similar here regarding many products (including those previously mentioned), but never felt the apparently uncontrollable need to denigrate those folks here.

I suppose the best that can be hoped here is that whatever bug you have with unnamed posters has been exorcised, at least temporarily.

But, no need to worry about being sued. However, just wondering though if that is the future posting standard here regarding differing views, thoughts and opinions? Hopefully not. But, I'm sure your sincere concern regarding the effects for whoever poster's children, is greatly appreciated.

You are correct about one thing though, that all mass produced products are susceptible to defect and/or failure, However, had you first taken the time to read and comprehend the specific topic of this thread, it's crystal clear it's not about any such defect or failure. But, that really wasn't your motive here.

 

[iunderpressure]

I thought the original post was why I wasn't going to use P1's again. I didnt know I couldn't use my opinions and had to have proof of a defect or failure. You're talking out of both sides of your mouth. You're the only one worked up. Being the OP this was all my opinions on this filter backed up by observations that no one can argue with, well you can. I never said the filter didn't work. I just think there is another point of view besides how many thin light weight wavy media filters I can buy for 44 cents after using 2 coupons and 3 codes. Hehe.

I read a lot more than I post on here, and I think about the new guys that come on here and are always pushed how great P1's are. I truely don't believe they are the greatest. I didn't just say they aren't the greatest. I stated all the reasons why I don't like them. The reasons that I have experienced in different applications of the P1 over and over.

 

[iunderpressure]

Keeping it simply. I like perceived quality over cheap. I would take a m1, rp, wix/ng, and ecore (as long as by-pass meets factory spec) over a P1.

I would take a P1 over a fram.

I don't know if ecores have been improved, but the ones I've seen lately look well constructed.

For the new guy out there, me picking a ecore over the P1 is a me thing. Most would say P1 over ecore.

 

[123Saab]

I really dont care that much, But I would love to see a picture.

 

[goodtimes]

You said what you observed and nothing wrong with that. The last time I used a P1, the can did twist and crumple, but it was on very tight for some reason, very stuck on. I thought the red gasket was supposed to make things easier and I had only put it on hand tight as usual. Maybe I was real strong that day I installed it. But the facts show the cans are about the same thickness as others. Maybe the steel is softer, maybe the geometry of the can and seam lead to the crushing effect. I wouldn't have a problem using them again though.

Purolator must be making a good percentage of all oil filters in N.America, and I haven't seen a side split open. If it did, it would prove the seam is very srong, and something is wrong with the oil pressure on that engine.

 

[D189379]

Wow, people get pretty worked up over this stuff? I've used 20 different kinds of filters from frams to purolators and never noticed a difference. Use what you like.

(I will say using the can thickness as a guideling for quality of performance seems a bit foolish, but in the end it doesn't matter. If you switch brands you'll be fine, if someone snuck into your garage at night and put a pure one on you car you'd be fine.)

 

[bigmike]

Originally Posted By: iunderpressure
Keeping it simply. I like perceived quality over cheap. I would take a m1, rp, wix/ng, and ecore (as long as by-pass meets factory spec) over a P1.

I would take a P1 over a fram.


I don't have many complaints about using a P1 or a classic - I use them. But, I as well, usually choose a Napa Gold or M1 over a P1 - especially when price isn't the issue. People keep saying that construction doesn't matter, but that's the most ridiculous thing I've ever encountered.

The first thing we all do is comment, judge, and assess when looking at a dissected filter. When the filter begins with a construction flaw prior to application use, then that flaws our outcome. For instance, how many have thought condensation may have been an issue with a vehicle by looking at wavy pleats after the application use? These same responses are leading to the herd believing that any waviness means condensation. It fits in the neat, little box. How do we know the construction was a failure to begin with? How do we NOT know?

Apparently, as I expound and extrapolate the view Mr. Allen points out, these people only apply this line of thinking towards things they hold in high standards, dependent upon the herd mentality and possibly independent of any real evidence. People of the herd need a pecking order to keep themselves in the happy zone. I find the Lord of the Flies group to be disingenuous, therefore lying to themselves and resulting in false readings for those newcomers to the site.

This is just my observation.

 

[river_rat]

Originally Posted By: ltslimjim
^Ah! My bwains! ...that hurt my head.

+1 Intellectuals! I can't keep up! Well I like PureOnes. Can get a defect in anything.

 

[BGK]

Oil filter can thickness affects the weight of the car and center of gravity of the vehicle. This is also why you want to use lightweight oils....And if you believe this...