Never using a pureone again.

[ZeeOSix]

Originally Posted By: iunderpressure
Keeping it simply. I like perceived quality over cheap. I would take a m1, rp, wix/ng, and ecore (as long as by-pass meets factory spec) over a P1.

I would take a P1 over a fram.

I don't know if ecores have been improved, but the ones I've seen lately look well constructed.

For the new guy out there, me picking a ecore over the P1 is a me thing. Most would say P1 over ecore.


Everyone is entitled to buy and use whatever they want. But knowing what I know about ecores, it would be the LAST filter I'd ever use. Anyone reading this board long enough will know why ecores are scary.

 

[unDummy]

I picked up a dozen or so P1's when AAP had all those coupons.
Since they're +2 and +3 over sized, I'm not worried. Great filter for the money.

I wish that they were blue. Blue quality paint jobs from the older P1's really looked nice under the hood.

 

[iunderpressure]

In this thread people focus in on wavy media or thin/soft can whatever, but in my second post in this thread it's the package. All the filters I listed except the fram and p1 have thread end bypasses which in my vehicle I believe is a benefit. You can see grit in the can and since it's mounted threads up, I believe when the car is not running whatever is in the oil in the filter will settle to the bottom of the can. I don't want my bypass near the bottom. I want it at the top.

Again some are focusing on one of my reasons I think there are better filters for me, but there are several.

 

[ZeeOSix]

Originally Posted By: iunderpressure
All the filters I listed except the fram and p1 have thread end bypasses which in my vehicle I believe is a benefit. You can see grit in the can and since it's mounted threads up, I believe when the car is not running whatever is in the oil in the filter will settle to the bottom of the can. I don't want my bypass near the bottom. I want it at the top.


The filter on my V6 Tacoma is mounted base down, so I guess using a filter with a base end bypass might not be good.

 

[ltslimjim]

Originally Posted By: ZeeOSix
Originally Posted By: iunderpressure
All the filters I listed except the fram and p1 have thread end bypasses which in my vehicle I believe is a benefit. You can see grit in the can and since it's mounted threads up, I believe when the car is not running whatever is in the oil in the filter will settle to the bottom of the can. I don't want my bypass near the bottom. I want it at the top.


The filter on my V6 Tacoma is mounted base down, so I guess using a filter with a base end bypass might not be good.

Which just proves the application is more relative than generalizing a brand.

 

[ZeeOSix]

Originally Posted By: iunderpressure
All the filters I listed except the fram and p1 have thread end bypasses which in my vehicle I believe is a benefit. You can see grit in the can and since it's mounted threads up ...


What year/model car are you talking about?

 

[Sayjac]

Originally Posted By: river_rat
.....Well I like PureOnes. Can get a defect in anything.
+1 Very true, though other than aesthetics, haven't seen/read any on topic. But, the op just prefers an Ecore with nitrile combo valve and apparent excellent construction as a 'better than P1' choice. To each their own.

Agree though, the choice of any product, in this case a filter, can be for any reason/reasons, or no reason at all.

 

[demarpaint]

Originally Posted By: sayjac
Originally Posted By: river_rat
.....Well I like PureOnes. Can get a defect in anything.
+1 Very true, though other than aesthetics, haven't seen/read any on topic. But, the op just prefers an Ecore with nitrile combo valve and apparent excellent construction as a 'better than P1' choice. To each their own.

Agree though, the choice of any product, in this case a filter, can be for any reason/reasons, or no reason at all.

Agreed! The only thing I don't like about the Pure One filter is the puke like color. There's an occasion bad apple in every bunch. JMO

 

[iunderpressure]

Originally Posted By: ZeeOSix
Originally Posted By: iunderpressure
All the filters I listed except the fram and p1 have thread end bypasses which in my vehicle I believe is a benefit. You can see grit in the can and since it's mounted threads up, I believe when the car is not running whatever is in the oil in the filter will settle to the bottom of the can. I don't want my bypass near the bottom. I want it at the top.


The filter on my V6 Tacoma is mounted base down, so I guess using a filter with a base end bypass might not be good.

The Toyota filters that mount base down crossed my mind when writing this. If I owned a vehicle that mounted base down I would prefer a dome end bypass.

 

[iunderpressure]

I have a 96 Volvo 850 turbo.

I've never ran a ecore. For my vehicle the ecore bypass is 8 psi, but the car specs 16 psi, I don't like that. The build quality has been good in all the ecores that I've seen in person, both new and used. I know someones going to have a cow since I've never ran one on my car.

I don't like the build quality of p1's compared to the others. Even if they don't fail they look and feel of poor quality. They look like [censored] after being used. It's not just me that sees weak build quality in p1's. Then there is a response like see he doesn't like them for any reason. The p1 is the Kia of filters. Just not for me.

I reload ammunition. Would I like brass that I could only get one or two reloads out of? No. Do I like dirty powders? No. I could go on and on.

 

[unDummy]

Bypass location means nothing. Flow through the media is constant. The flow through the media doesn't stop when a bypass opens so there is no way that there is a 'washing effect' when the media restriction open it and holds it open.

Mounting location requires good ADBV performance to prevent reverse flow of oil through the media when vehicle is off.

And, I haven't seen an owners manual that has a bypass requirement spec. Typically its a combination of what is capable of the media and the expectations of said media. Oil flow protects your engine. Full flow filter's micron filtration is a joke. I'll take a 5psi bypass over a 20psi bypass any day. Its a continuous oil flow loop. Eventually, anything that is there that can be filtered, will be filtered.

I'd rather have my Kia than your Volvo. And, I guess the US sales history, of both brands, in the past decade is enough proof too! If Pureone is the Kia of filters, then Volvo is the Geely of autos. Oh wait, it is!

 

[iunderpressure]

Kia's are cheap cars marketed to people with bad credit and maintain the resale of a rock. In the past decade meth use in the U.S. has been high too, maybe there is a correlation. Price point is probably a part of that too. I don't care much for new Volvo's either. Mine was free.

What is the grit often seen in filter housings? It's not trapped in the media, but it's on the dirty side. This grit settles when the engine is not running. When oil is cold and thick and if a dome end bypass goes into bypass, wouldn't you run the risk of the thick oil pushing some of that grit to the clean side? This may or may no happen. It makes sense to me, so I like thread end bypasses. Just sharing my point of view.

 

[demarpaint]

Wow and a short while back P1 was the Bitog darling of oil filters.

 

[Sayjac]

Yep, this thread has surely sounded the death knell for all future P1 use and users. I have learned alot on this thread though, including but not limited to;

Ecore construction is preferable to P1.

P1's are the Kia's of oil filters.

Kia's are marketed to people with bad credit.

The increase in Kia sales could be directly correlated to the increase in methamphetamine use.

Just waiting for some more pearls of wisdom, perhaps I can add them to my signature. It is good information.

 

[ZeeOSix]

Originally Posted By: demarpaint
Wow and a short while back P1 was the Bitog darling of oil filters.

... yeah, I'm sure this thread has changed everyone's feelings on what filters to use.

 

[ZeeOSix]

Originally Posted By: sayjac
Yep, this thread has surely sounded the death knell for all future P1 use and users. I have learned alot on this thread though, including but not limited to;

Ecore construction is preferable to P1.

P1's are the Kia's of oil filters.

Kia's are marketed to people with bad credit.

The increase in Kia sales could be directly correlated to the increase in methamphetamine use.

Just waiting for some more pearls of wisdom, perhaps I can add them to my signature. It is good information.

[sarcasm]
Yeah, probably the most knowledgeable and fact filled thread on the whole BITOG board ...
[/sarcasm]

 

[demarpaint]

Well in the spirit of this thread if the weather cooperates tomorrow I will be changing the oil in my Aerostar and using a P1 filter. If the engine blows will it be the fault of the filter, the oil, or the 195,000 miles of severe service? j/k

On a more serious note, did Purolator do anything else to the design of the P1 filter since the paint color and texture change? Last time I checked [a long time ago] all that changed was the paint. There were some paint quality issues early on and they were quickly resolved. I had a few of the first batch of the filters following the paint change and I was concerned from reading here. I contacted Purolator, and was sent replacement filters w/o question. If their quality is suffering contacting them might be a good idea. They are a company that stands behind their products, and I'm sure they'd like to know of any issues arising in the field. JMO

 

[Sayjac]

Since you asked, yes if your engine blows with 195k on the engine, based on this thread, it's safe to say, that it will be the P1's fault. What else could it be?

On a less facetious note, the P1 is the same as it's been since the change over, with the exception apparently of improvement in the texture paint application. Still have increased efficiency rating since the change over to Classic and texture P1. Will post up pics of PL14610 with at least 7k miles soon.

The recent Purolator cartridge filter response posted here recently shows again they are responsive to their customer base.

Originally Posted By: ZeeOSix
[sarcasm]
Yeah, probably the most knowledgeable and fact filled thread on the whole BITOG board ...
[/sarcasm]
No really? Surely you jest.

 

[demarpaint]

They gave me first rate service when the puke colored textured filters rolled off the line and people were concerned with paint on the gasket area and inside the filter. They took about half a dozen back from me, no questions asked. The replacement filters were perfect.

 

[OVERKILL]

Originally Posted By: unDummy
Bypass location means nothing.


Ford appears to disagree with you.

Why is that?