neighbor wises up-dumps his 2012 equinox

[Blinker]

The 2.4 SIDI in the Equinox has problems with the cylinders becoming out of round in the cylinder bore. The timing chain failing is a result of the cylinder out of roundness. So it makes sense that that timing chaing went bad twice and for the oil burning issue. Too lazy to type it out here but it is well documented on the internet. The only fix is to replace the engine. It is a very well known problem at GM dealers, I really cant remember if GM came up with a fix or not.

I know several GM techs and they all talk about this engine as a throw away motor. They are a totally different ball game than the older, port injected Ecotec engines that many are familiar with.

 

[super20dan]

their fix is to tell owners to go pound sand. they came out with a new engine desighn to replace this lemon . owners of the 2.4 di engine are stuck with it. another blackeye for gm,s rep.

 

[super20dan]

i quit believing cu when it took 4or 5 years to report the subaru head gasket problem. of course we bought one on their recommendation. i wonder if they have picked up on the dfi issue with the 4 cyl equinox yet?

 

[Blinker]

Agreed, the 2.4 SIDI is a mess of an engine, they make decent power but the long term durability is not good. A lot of them have absolutely horrid rattling sounds not related to the fuel pump.

 

[Silverado12]

Originally Posted By: stower17
The 2.4 SIDI in the Equinox has problems with the cylinders becoming out of round in the cylinder bore. The timing chain failing is a result of the cylinder out of roundness. So it makes sense that that timing chaing went bad twice and for the oil burning issue. Too lazy to type it out here but it is well documented on the internet. The only fix is to replace the engine. It is a very well known problem at GM dealers, I really cant remember if GM came up with a fix or not.

I know several GM techs and they all talk about this engine as a throw away motor. They are a totally different ball game than the older, port injected Ecotec engines that many are familiar with.


How does a cylinder become out of round? Also, how would that put more stress on a timing chain? I could see if the cam became out of round or had restriction in the cam bearings, but what you're saying is highly unlikely. FWIW my wife has a 2012 Equinox 2.4 and it has been flawless with almost 50K miles on it.

 

[Ram01]

Gm should of just used the new 2.5 ecotec motor. Replacing all the old 2.4's

 

[Hootbro]

Originally Posted By: super20dan
what a pile this car has been. he bought it with out doing any reasearch and was a blind long time gm customer. its started rapid oil use around 20k . at 29k the timming chain went. oil use got worse even after switching to 10w30 as a test. at 60 k the second timming chain started making noise and the ac went out. he took my advice and traded it in (on a jeep Cherokee with the trouble prone 9 speed auto) the jeep was against my advice. i of course recommended a toyota


So are you your neighbors conscious or does he actually make independent decisions that may or may not fall into line with your thought process.

 

[ls1mike]

I was going to leave this one alone, but...
The timing chain in the 2010 to 2012 did have issues. It did not affect all of them.
It was updated in 2013 and no the Cylinders do not go out of round. You neighbor didn't get the updated chain or it was installed incorrectly.
I only put 37,000 miles on mine but it never used any oil.
What I did do was 4000 mile oil changes because of the D.I. The 3 UOAs I did all came back with no fuel and no issue.

The 2.4 was also used in a TON of GM vehicles and all have faired well. Malibu, Regal, Terrain, Captiva, Verano and I am missing some.

I never trust car advice from someone who has not owned one or I don't actually see them in the service bay of the local garage. Even then information is suspect.

This is why.
My previous neighbor had a Honda Odyssey, he loved that thing. Told everyone he never had any problems with it and was the most reliable car on the road...except I picked him up from the transmission shop for the 2 transmissions it needed. Now here is the why. He would tell everyone else it never needed anything. I once brought up the transmission. His excuse "Must have been a fluke all Honda's are reliable."
So one car having problems as reported by the person who doesn't own it and in general does not like GM stuff. Well you can guess what I think about that.

 

[super20dan]

as far as i know the 2.4 used in the other gm products wasnt di. its yet another case of gm using the consumer for r and d. no i dont own the pile but i was there for every oil change when only a quart or so came out into the drain pain. i always help him work on his cars -the fact that he makes very poor buying decisions is his problem

 

[ls1mike]

It is the LAF, LEA and LUK.
All are 2.4 DI engines. The LEA being the E85 compliant version.
Which is what your neighbors Equinox would have had.

LAF is Equinox, Lacrosse, Regal, Terrain. DI

LUK(think ECO) is used in the Malibu and Impala. DI

The LE9 was used in 2010-2012 FLEET Malibus. It was not direct inject but was the same engine without it.

 

[GiveMeAVowel]

Originally Posted By: ls1mike
I was going to leave this one alone, but...
The timing chain in the 2010 to 2012 did have issues. It did not affect all of them.

It was updated in 2013 and no the Cylinders do not go out of round. You neighbor didn't get the updated chain or it was installed incorrectly.

I only put 37,000 miles on mine but it never used any oil.


The 2.4 was also used in a TON of GM vehicles and all have faired well. Malibu, Regal, Terrain, Captiva, Verano and I am missing some.

I never trust car advice from someone who has not owned one or I don't actually see them in the service bay of the local garage. Even then information is suspect.


Exactly, there is an institutional hatred on BITOG regarding anything GM, and apparently Subaru, which is hilarious, as ALL brands have problems and many serious ones.

 

[gabriel9766]

Originally Posted By: Ram01
Gm should of just used the new 2.5 ecotec motor. Replacing all the old 2.4's

my 2015 malibu has the 2.5 ecotec motor in it and its very nice. ive only put 3,900 miles on it so far and its enough for me.

 

[GMBoy]

Originally Posted By: BHopkins
Originally Posted By: dishdude
Funny how half of the OP's posts are anti-GM rants.


I can't count for others, but for me most of my dislike for GM is based upon my experience as a supplier to them. Several years ago I had an epiphany that if GM held their customers in as much contempt as they do their suppliers, then I would be a fool to ever buy another GM car. When the ignition switch fiasco hit, all it did is provide me solid evidence that my reasoning was not only sound, but also very wise. This is coming from a guy that has owned nine GM cars over the years. I still drive one, but once it is gone, it will be the last.

You may find anti-GM rants stupid, or even comical. I find dyed in the wool loyal GM customers humorously entertaining, but mostly naive.



Being that I work for GM and my main role is monitoring quality from our suppliers all I can say is most of our warranty and other troubles come from poor supplier quality. Very few issues are engineering or assembly caused.I see constant defects and other issues from most of our suppliers and I write as many PRR's (paperwork that effects their PPM and makes them pay for the defects) as I can to keep the best parts coming in. Now I do agree with you that GM as a whole treats suppliers a little bad and cuts them to the bone, but that is not my department.

 

[spackard]

Originally Posted By: super20dan
as far as i know the 2.4 used in the other gm products wasnt di. its yet another case of gm using the consumer for r and d. no i dont own the pile but i was there for every oil change when only a quart or so came out into the drain pain. i always help him work on his cars -the fact that he makes very poor buying decisions is his problem


Maybe chronically running the engine low on oil had something to do with it? It would with any other engine.

 

[daves87rs]

Originally Posted By: spackard
Originally Posted By: super20dan
as far as i know the 2.4 used in the other gm products wasnt di. its yet another case of gm using the consumer for r and d. no i dont own the pile but i was there for every oil change when only a quart or so came out into the drain pain. i always help him work on his cars -the fact that he makes very poor buying decisions is his problem


Maybe chronically running the engine low on oil had something to do with it? It would with any other engine.


+1

 

[Silverado12]

Originally Posted By: GMBoy
Originally Posted By: BHopkins
Originally Posted By: dishdude
Funny how half of the OP's posts are anti-GM rants.


I can't count for others, but for me most of my dislike for GM is based upon my experience as a supplier to them. Several years ago I had an epiphany that if GM held their customers in as much contempt as they do their suppliers, then I would be a fool to ever buy another GM car. When the ignition switch fiasco hit, all it did is provide me solid evidence that my reasoning was not only sound, but also very wise. This is coming from a guy that has owned nine GM cars over the years. I still drive one, but once it is gone, it will be the last.

You may find anti-GM rants stupid, or even comical. I find dyed in the wool loyal GM customers humorously entertaining, but mostly naive.



Being that I work for GM and my main role is monitoring quality from our suppliers all I can say is most of our warranty and other troubles come from poor supplier quality. Very few issues are engineering or assembly caused.I see constant defects and other issues from most of our suppliers and I write as many PRR's (paperwork that effects their PPM and makes them pay for the defects) as I can to keep the best parts coming in. Now I do agree with you that GM as a whole treats suppliers a little bad and cuts them to the bone, but that is not my department.


GM has to compete with the import competition (who IMO should have been tariffed out of the market); they are funded by their own governments in an attempt to corner the market.

 

[SteveSRT8]

Originally Posted By: dishdude

I always love a post about someone's sister's roommate's brother's friend that once worked with someone who knew someone with a 1974 whatever that was junk.



Always a standard here. Let's face it, personal experience can be compelling.

But the naive part is falling for a story that gets repeated all over the Internet until it practically has a life of its own. Internet Amplification always make it juicier and more fun...

 

[VNTS]

Originally Posted By: dishdude
Funny how half of the OP's posts are anti-GM rants.


Have to get a Chrysler slam in there too.

 

[VNTS]

Originally Posted By: super20dan
yep proud gm basher. i know poor quality when i see it. check my sig. i own one. actually my neighbor got an extremly generous trade in. owed 6k and got 10.5k. he wouldn't listen about the 9speed zf trans issues. does jeep warrenty give a free loaner car? he just might need it.


I beleive Honda and Acura and BMW are using this trans also.

 

[KrisZ]

Originally Posted By: ls1mike
This is why.
My previous neighbor had a Honda Odyssey, he loved that thing. Told everyone he never had any problems with it and was the most reliable car on the road...except I picked him up from the transmission shop for the 2 transmissions it needed. Now here is the why. He would tell everyone else it never needed anything. I once brought up the transmission. His excuse "Must have been a fluke all Honda's are reliable."
So one car having problems as reported by the person who doesn't own it and in general does not like GM stuff. Well you can guess what I think about that.

I've seen this type of behavior from Toyota and Honda owners as well.
I guess that once you put something on a pedestal, it's extremely hard to look at it objectively.

When a friend of mine bought an Acura TL (04 or 05) and I told him to save up for the transmission, he laughed. Now, two transmissions later he no longer laughs and will be looking for something else than Acura. But I'm waiting for his next purchase choice to see if his delusion is over or not.