Originally Posted By: Doug Hillary
Hi,
Dave - I only "bristle" when people make claims that they cannot substantiate, regardless of the Brand!
We must always remember that many people accessing this Forum have little or no real knowledge of the subject. Throwaway lines that supposedly have a "aura" of realism in them pollute the facts that many of us try to live by and promote
I'm not having a shot at you. I believe that your contribution to the Forum is extremely valuable. I merely mention that you have a strong preference for Mobil, Shell and Castrol products and that this is presumably because you have had a close association with these companies for many years. I have noticed a tendency to "recommend" these products in a large number of posts which is to be expected.
Originally Posted By: Doug Hillary
As a previous poster has indicated there would be little if any variance in engine life between these three Oil Company/Blender's products if they all met similar specifications and when used in an identical duty cycle
I agree. They are all high quality oils but then so are AMSoil and Royal Purple
Originally Posted By: Doug Hillary
In a controlled Laboratory test to "destruction" the results would most likely be somewhat the same if shooting to only meet say a API test process - generally we don't know how Royal Purple and Amsoil lubricants would perform here - we do with M1
Disagree with this. AMSoil and Royal Purple have been on sale and used by enough people in the real world to have identified if these oils are lacking in performance. Laboratory tests are one thing, real world testing is another. I personally place more value on real world testing. I believe there are enough UOA's on this forum supporting that AMSoil is a high performing oil
Originally Posted By: Doug Hillary
In an engine Manufacturer's test protocols the results may be quite different as many of these tests are component and use/application specific. Again few if any of the Royal Purple and Amsoil products have Manufacturer Approvals. M1 in various forms has many Manufacturer Approvals and is a first fill and then the service fill of some by choice
In a Lab test routine using RATT and/or other wear rate testing mechanisim the likely results of the Royal Purple and Amsoil products is an unknown quantity. M1 does seek Manufacturer Approvals and works with the engine and compnents makers (as do Castrol, Shell, Caltex and etc) to quantify component wear rates and lubricant deterioration processes
This is why using Manufacturer prescribed products is an easy and safe choice for the average user!
Given all things being equal, manufacturers in any industry will take the safe way out and recommend mainstream products rather than boutique products. This doesn't mean they are superior to the boutique products or vice versa. Manufacturers also need to limit their costs in conducting tests for the multitude of suppliers in the marketplace (ie they will not test every brand and will normally only test mainstream brands)
Originally Posted By: Doug Hillary
So and IMHO the average BITOG Member could use same specification products from the three named contenders (and many others too) in the correct application and achieve suitable and likely identical user results from each. Any margins would not be noticed!
Don't disagree with this at all. They are however Brands and people have preferences for brands based on either marketing, personal preference,. recommendations etc etc. This doesn't mean that one is better than the other.
My ultimate point to this is, people have different opinions based on personal bias, experience, likes, dislikes etc. Mainstream manufacturers are a safe bet for pretty much everything but not always the best bet. For example, my preference for TV's is for Loewe (a boutique German brand). They don't have the resources of say Philips but produce some of the finest TV's available
Hi,
Dave - I only "bristle" when people make claims that they cannot substantiate, regardless of the Brand!
We must always remember that many people accessing this Forum have little or no real knowledge of the subject. Throwaway lines that supposedly have a "aura" of realism in them pollute the facts that many of us try to live by and promote
I'm not having a shot at you. I believe that your contribution to the Forum is extremely valuable. I merely mention that you have a strong preference for Mobil, Shell and Castrol products and that this is presumably because you have had a close association with these companies for many years. I have noticed a tendency to "recommend" these products in a large number of posts which is to be expected.
Originally Posted By: Doug Hillary
As a previous poster has indicated there would be little if any variance in engine life between these three Oil Company/Blender's products if they all met similar specifications and when used in an identical duty cycle
I agree. They are all high quality oils but then so are AMSoil and Royal Purple
Originally Posted By: Doug Hillary
In a controlled Laboratory test to "destruction" the results would most likely be somewhat the same if shooting to only meet say a API test process - generally we don't know how Royal Purple and Amsoil lubricants would perform here - we do with M1
Disagree with this. AMSoil and Royal Purple have been on sale and used by enough people in the real world to have identified if these oils are lacking in performance. Laboratory tests are one thing, real world testing is another. I personally place more value on real world testing. I believe there are enough UOA's on this forum supporting that AMSoil is a high performing oil
Originally Posted By: Doug Hillary
In an engine Manufacturer's test protocols the results may be quite different as many of these tests are component and use/application specific. Again few if any of the Royal Purple and Amsoil products have Manufacturer Approvals. M1 in various forms has many Manufacturer Approvals and is a first fill and then the service fill of some by choice
In a Lab test routine using RATT and/or other wear rate testing mechanisim the likely results of the Royal Purple and Amsoil products is an unknown quantity. M1 does seek Manufacturer Approvals and works with the engine and compnents makers (as do Castrol, Shell, Caltex and etc) to quantify component wear rates and lubricant deterioration processes
This is why using Manufacturer prescribed products is an easy and safe choice for the average user!
Given all things being equal, manufacturers in any industry will take the safe way out and recommend mainstream products rather than boutique products. This doesn't mean they are superior to the boutique products or vice versa. Manufacturers also need to limit their costs in conducting tests for the multitude of suppliers in the marketplace (ie they will not test every brand and will normally only test mainstream brands)
Originally Posted By: Doug Hillary
So and IMHO the average BITOG Member could use same specification products from the three named contenders (and many others too) in the correct application and achieve suitable and likely identical user results from each. Any margins would not be noticed!
Don't disagree with this at all. They are however Brands and people have preferences for brands based on either marketing, personal preference,. recommendations etc etc. This doesn't mean that one is better than the other.
My ultimate point to this is, people have different opinions based on personal bias, experience, likes, dislikes etc. Mainstream manufacturers are a safe bet for pretty much everything but not always the best bet. For example, my preference for TV's is for Loewe (a boutique German brand). They don't have the resources of say Philips but produce some of the finest TV's available
