Originally Posted By: billt460
Here's the deal. No one likes to answer questions, or submit to authority. And the younger and more arrogant and packed full of attitude you are, the worse it becomes. If you look at all of these nit wits that have been killed by police over the last several months, the fact remains they all were killed because they refused to comply with police commands. First, there was the guy who was selling watches, or whatever on the sidewalk in New York. He resisted from the get go, and ended up dying. Then there was Michael Brown in Ferguson. Next was the guy in Baton Rouge. And then there was the guy in Minnesota who's girlfriend videoed him being shot to death. And I'm probably forgetting a dozen more. Every one of them was killed directly due to lack of compliance of police commands.
When a Cop has his weapon leveled at you, and commands you to, DO NOT MOVE! And you move like the Minnesota idiot did, it isn't going to end well. Baton Rouge ended the same way. If you're stupid enough to try and fight it out with a cop by struggling with him on a sidewalk, is it really a that big of a mystery why these people continue to be shot full of holes by cops? All of these people did not want to submit to police authority. Now they're all dead because of it, one way or another.
The fact of the matter is the cops have the authority, and you don't. They will either ask questions, and or give commands. You will then be forced to comply or resist their questions or commands. It really is as simple as that. If you refuse or resist, you are going to be on the receiving end of a lot of problems and trouble, if not much worse.
Now, fast forward to what we're discussing. With tensions so high, my attitude is simply to do everything possible to end the contact as graciously as possible. By providing any and all the information I can to assure that outcome. If, after that it doesn't, there is nothing on me that I could have done to make it so. It's just common sense. It has nothing to do with, "liking it". Or "being a sheeple". My guess is this is all going to get a lot worse before it gets any better. If it ever does. All these hate filled, anti cop groups are just fanning the flames. And they will all ultimately lose. And lose big time. If there was ever a time to be passive and nice to cops, now is that time. But if you feel differently, then refuse to give information and do what you want. If you think it will make you feel braver or better. Just don't complain when things go south in a hurry. I don't "fear" cops. But if I ever make contact with one, for whatever reason, I will say and do whatever I can to assure a pleasant outcome. Especially if I am armed.
I've seen a take down by cops and it's not as simple as you described. They had their guns drawn at the guy, one cop was yelling "get down" another one was yelling "put your hands on your head" and there were others yelling different things. The guy was scared shetless, had his hands up in the air and didn't know what else to do. Thankfully he didn't get shot -- maybe because he was white. They pulled him down on scorching asphalt, he starts burning, they start yelling "don't resist" and start twisting his arms and kicking as he squirms from pain.
Nasty business. And these people were in civilian clothing, the uniformed ones joined in shortly.
How are untrained civilians supposed to stay calm when guns are pointed at them and conflicting things are yelled at them, and yet the police who are trained for situations like this easily panic and shoot the civilians.
