NDE'S

[Shannow]

Saw the thread title, and expected some sort of complex new financial derivative. Opening the thread was satisfyingly not.

I think that NDEs are a very small part of the spectrum of observation (personal and mass) that should convince a thinking person that we aren't, and can't be just a batch of random chemical occurrences.

Logical argument is the global consciousness conclusion.

That then leaves you with the "origins" argument, which is circular, and then involves a belief system

 

[andyd]

You gotta walk that lonesome valley,
You gotta walk it by yourself,
Can't nobody walk it for you,
You gotta walk it by yourself.

One thing my medical adventures have taught me is that time spent dwelling on this topic is wasted time. Patience , Grasshopper, patience. No need to clutter your mind with this just yet.

 

[Loobed]

Isn't this religious?

 

[GROUCHO MARX]

The term "Faith" certainly suggests the lack of absolute proof or certainty.

In this area, those that want absolute certainty will be disappointed.

 

[Drew99GT]

Originally Posted By: SteveSRT8
Every single one of us will get to PERSONALLY verify this information!

So relax and enjoy the ride. It really doesn't matter what we think....


Agreed. I've almost stopped contemplating this kind of stuff. It used to consume me. It's fascinating though.

 

[Drew99GT]

Originally Posted By: Cutehumor
Thanks for the link Buster.

I had a NDE back in 2010. A post "NDE" after leaving the hospital if there is such a word for that.

Everyone has an NDE when they get a hospital bill.

 

[d00df00d]

Originally Posted By: JHZR2
I said I'm not going to belittle them. But you have to admit that tends to be the next logical step when one doesn't agree with one's belief, religious, or otherwise.

I don't agree at all. Some of the people I respect the most are people with whom I have very strong disagreements on fundamental issues. This includes my wife and most of my best friends, as well as several public figures.

If nothing else, ideological diversity is the only way I know to ensure that there's always grist for the mill when it comes to testing and refining one's own ideas.

I will agree that a lot of people seem to be unable to distinguish between disagreement and insult. I'm not one of those people, and I certainly don't think there's anything the least bit logical about that conflation.

 

[Pop_Rivit]

A near death experience is something that I'm not sure will ever be understood. For every person writing a book about the faith aspect of near death experiences, someone else writes a book debunking them. For example, Parkinson's disease patients often see ghosts as a result of abnormal dopamine levels. Could NDE's also be caused by a similar chemical release or altered brain state?

Dr. James Winnery did research on fighter pilots, and found that the NDE was able to be replicated during extreme G-forces. Does that help prove that it's a chemical/brain state reaction?

Faith set aside, it's entirely possible that it's simply an altered brain state or chemical reaction. Adding faith into the mix provides an entirely different dynamic, and one that isn't appropriate for this forum.

Suffice to say, no matter what the cause, it sells a lot of books for a lot of authors, as proven by the original poster.

 

[buster]

 

[mechtech2]

There are all sorts of examples of people dying in hospitals, and while Drs. work on them, they leave their body and can go to other rooms. They describe what and who is in the other rooms.
Then they come back and relate what happened.
This shows that we live in a body, but keep going after death.

Also, many describe an awful place, and some a wonderful place - strange beings abound. Very real.
A strange phenomena is that stories of going to an awful place often leave their memory after a day or so. Initially, they are quite agitated and descriptive. A little later, many don't recall.
This aftermath can be a shut off defense in our brain, or a spiritual thing going on.

 

[Clevy]

Nde eh.
To start off I couldn't care less if anyone believes me. I was there,I know what happened.
I was throwing a party in golden BC. Fight breaks out,I end up stabbed in the throat. Hit my carotid artery,blood was streaming straight out 12 feet splattering my walls.
My friends clue in that I'm in trouble. One grabs a towel,wraps it around my throat tight. Hospital is 2 blocks from my house.
I get to the emergency room and it's closed being a small town so late at night. So nurse unlocks the door I walk in,get on to a gurney.
Dr shows says he can't fix me and we are taking a chopper ride to Calgary foothills to fix me up.
I'm in the chopper ,fading out. I remember the sound of the the heartbeat machine go flat,then I see the nurse jump on top of me to give me CPR. I am looking at her from above. I see the bun in her hair,and syringes(didn't know that at the time though) sticking out of the bun,full of morphine.
Anyways as I'm seeing her pump my chest I feel this excruciating burn down my sides,like pain I've never felt. It's my ribs flexing out from her pumping in me so hard. I come to,push her off then proceed into a coma for 6 days.
I wake up,go home and heal for a few weeks. Once I can get out of my house I bring the ER nurses flowers as a thank you and the nurse who gave me CPR is there. So I asked her what those things were poking out of her hair. She asked how I could even see her hair because I was also stabbed in the face and my eyes and cheeks were bandaged over.
I told her I saw it from above,she then had to sit down. Turns out when I flatlined they worked on me for 3 minutes. So I was 3 minutes with no heartbeat. It felt only like a second from when I saw her get on me to waking up.
I used to think that this life was all there was and religion and spirituality was for the birds. I now know different.
I couldn't care less if anyone believes me. My carotid took 4 stitches,15 to close the hole in my throat,9 on the outside of my cheek,7 on the inside of my cheek,3 on my eyelid and 14 on my forehead.

 

[eljefino]

The practical side of me says I could be faced with a lotta, lotta, big bunch of time to contemplate such things... later.

In the "spiritual spectrum" I have "seen" first hand ghost/poltergeist activity, and been convinced of it, but don't waste my breath proslytizing it around. It's a funny story involving a group of us seeing lights in a house without power, then returning home, talking it over, and a framed picture of a church falling off the wall.

 

[d00df00d]

Originally Posted By: mechtech2
There are all sorts of examples of people dying in hospitals, and while Drs. work on them, they leave their body and can go to other rooms. They describe what and who is in the other rooms.

Not examples. Reports.

But yes, indeed there are. In fact, there are enough that people have actually tried to test it: they put written messages face-up on top of cabinets in the same rooms as people who are about to go into surgery, and asking the patients in advance to read the message if they find themselves disembodied and floating around the hospital. So far, no result.

Can disembodied souls float around hospitals and describe hair styles and surgical procedures, but not read simple notes in big print?