My Job vs India

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Originally posted by jsharp:
As others have said, outsourcing has been going on for quite awhile although I believe it's accelerating. Without some controls there are two possible endpoints that I can see.

1. Our wages fall while other countries rise until they reach a rough parity level.

2. There aren't enough people left here with jobs good enough to purchase goods from American companies.

Either way it's a race to the bottom for the American worker unless he can find the skills needed to make his job one that is better left here. Good luck on this since it'll always be difficult to compete with countries that have no EPA, no labor regulations, no unions, no problems with company liabilities, etc...


So, What is our government's role in all this????

(A) Unlike competing countries, our Government should not be involved in such matters. It should do nothing and let things play out.

(B) Our Goverment can enact trade laws that are aimed to protect American Industry, but discourage trade below the level of absolute free trade.

I think we should vote for representatives in the government that either do "A" or "B" depending on how we think on this particular issue.
 
So Outrun, been reading Forbes? 28 March 05. p 46, Xenophobia and Politics by Steven Landsburg. Available 28 March at www.forbes.com. Still mulling it over. One thing for sure, we can't ''Buy American'' back to the 50's.

Lab,

Got an essay and exam due in no time here. Soon as that is complete I will serac for that article.

That is surprising. I guess some other mind beat to that opinion.

So much for my insight another author was ahead of me *lol*

Continuing this string:

It is the attitude of many insiders that the world economy will "polarize" this way.

The United States will be the chief pioneer (followed by Canada, EU) of innovation, ideas, patents, engineering, research & development and of course the service industry.

You get the point...we make the ideas.

The prediction goes on to say that the rest of the world...presumbly China, India, Mexico that is will be the producers.

We write the idea and they create it with the assembly line.

Of course I ommitted Japan which is a duality.

Not only is there industrial capability well known they also have there own brain power to.

More crucial sub questions that I can not answer are this.

What will Dollar depreciation mean for America's massive banks and creditors?

Will Oil be valued to the Euro : Dollar index?

Well I am not an economist but the dollar issue is more frightening than out sourcing.

There is always a good job in the States available for the taking
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So in other words, China and India dont have the acumen to create, all they will be is followers, servants forever, interesting to see when quite a few of grounbreaking inventions in the field of IT,Physics, medicine is being done in these two coutnries, the impact of which would be realized in coming years. To make a statement that all they will be are followers is truly reflective of the attitudes prevailing in the west particularly, in other words, it has its benefits, complacency only gives India and China an edge. If you go by history, before there was Europe, these two regions gave the world quite a few inventions.
 
Whimsey and Al are right. We have a problem. As long as we can keep printing paper money and loaning it out to Americans at low interest rates and then spending it overseas to people who believe in the value of the paper we will see outsourcing and jobs moving overseas.

Americans want good deals and they love saving a couple of pennies at Wal-Mart buying Sterlite instead of Rubbermaid. They dont care about jobs or the future of this country. Americans care about full shopping carts.

We havent seen double digit inflation in 25 years but some of us can remember it. If all the paper that we call money starts being returned to us then we will see the economy change. We are seeing the federal reserve having to pump up interest rates to maintain the value of the dollar and this is going to have a negative effect on the economy.

We made a huge mistake in praising the liberal agenda during the 90s and the Bill Clinton anti-business agenda. Bush took office and interest rates were close to 10% and Clinton left office and they were down to 2% and the left wing thought that it was because he had a better economic plan. Bush won a war and we had a decade of cheap oil keeping inflation down and that was a nice circumstance thats no longer true.

For the time being, Americans are willing to borrow money, increase their debt loads, and spend money wildly on foreign products.

You can max out your credit card for a bit and call it globalization or whatever excuse seems convenient but in the end you either pay it off or you deal with mad creditors.

The liberal agenda is that profit is bad and that big business is evil. I agree with a few of their points in that businesses like Wal-mart have the power to buypass American suppliers and purchase from China.

Stupid people like being stupid. They enjoy their stupidity. They are proud of stupidity. And they advertise their stupidity. But they dont like having lower standards of living because they are stupid.

Right now America is in a era of pride, arrogance, and blindness to the upcoming train wreck of budget deficits, corporate, and personal debt, oversupply of money and trade deficits, and regulatory anti-business and legal complications that can sink a fragile economy thats become the sugar daddy for the world.

Our economy has built a foundation of debt and money supply rather than productivity and industry and Americans like things easy and cheap and we dont really want to change it. We wont vote in politicians eager for change until its too late and drastic measures must be implemented.

For those not prepared its going to hurt and we are seeing some fraying at the edges with jobs disappearing into the foreign void.

Happy Motoring All,

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Originally posted by outrun:
Got an essay and exam due in no time here.

As I mentioned to buster, I believe your attitude towards the current effects of globalization on American workers (or whatever you want to call it) would change if you were 20 years older.

Telling people twice your age and education, with decades of experience, to just "deal with it" is youthful arrogance. They are "dealing with it" and have "dealt with it" for decades now.
 
As I mentioned to buster, I believe your attitude towards the current effects of globalization on American workers (or whatever you want to call it) would change if you were 20 years older.

Perhaps I am wrong as you say.

At this point I stand on the my opinion, youthful arrogance as you call it or blunt reality in my perception.

Two things I have been taught.

Job security is a dead ideal in this day age.

Take nothing for granted, do not rely on anyone(govt included), except yourself for anything.

If this means multiple job changes so be it.

If it means painful salary cuts...unfortunate but so be it.

I do not call that arrogance I call it rapid adjustment to changing market realities.

Again I stand there is always a job, weather or not we can tolerate the salary "correction" is a different topic altogether.

Anyway cheers to the 1st Amendment.

Free expression of "arrogance" is certainly better than sugar coated politically correct mumbling.

I prefer those that speak there mind to the latter.

Carry on
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Forget to add this in my and India's defence.

I found it arrogant that people here will blame India for loosing there job.

An Indian would find it arrogant that Americans only think there employment is superior vis a vis them.

The final step of decolonalization is a global market.

I am only guilty for replying to a clearly partisan and political post here.
 
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Originally posted by outrun:
Forget to add this in my and India's defence.

I found it arrogant that people here will blame India for loosing there job.

An Indian would find it arrogant that Americans only think there employment is superior vis a vis them.

The final step of decolonalization is a global market.

I am only guilty for replying to a clearly partisan and political post here.


No offense... can you please write in paragraph form. Your posts hurt my eyes--so many spaces.
 
I don't blame India, I blame our gov't and citizens and sounds like most here do as well.

And actually I think your 00:37 post was more "racist" than anyone elses here. I don't think anyone has been.

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quote:Originally posted by obbop:
The ruling elites have access to the mass medias and are quite adept at brainwashing/propaganda.

Like "It's racist to be against outsourcing".

Exactly!
 
No, I feel there are recurrent trends here and otherwise. 1st the Japanese were blamed for taking away US industrial jobs. Of course there is truth to that. Who here does not use a Japanese car, or import Chinese, Korean, Taiwanese component etc? Then it was attacking Mexican Illegal immigrants. Now it is outsourcing. In all cases blame fell to foreigners for the winds of economic change.

Are you going to sell your Lexus or BMW for a Ford/GM to keep jobs here?

It may not be "racist" but certainly it raises my suspect against feelings of that only American economic concerns are important...not everyone else too.
 
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Originally posted by Jason Troxell:
Exactly!

Some people are so eager to paint anyone with the "racist" brush that they're not realizing that they're cheapening the word.

The little boy who cried wolf...and the little boy who cried racist.
 
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Originally posted by outrun:
It may not be "racist" but certainly it raises my suspect against feelings of that only American economic concerns are important...not everyone else too.

I believe the term you want is "nationalist".
 
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