multiple break-in oil changes

[dubber09]

If I need 5 complete oil changes to get to 10k miles I better look for another vehicle manufacturer.

Or, time to question sanity of the person suggesting you need to do 5 changes to get there.

 

[FoxProTwisty]

I'd worry more about proper break in of the engine rather than the lube in it. Don't baby it, heat cycle it properly and enjoy the peace of mind it won't need to drink half of all your OCI's.

 

[rijndael]

Or, time to question sanity of the person suggesting you need to do 5 changes to get there.

Who said you "need" to do it?

 

[BigCahuna]

I find it interesting that some of the very folks so against an early oil change or two have no problem dumping additives in their expensive oil….

I don't think people are against changing their oil early, it's just they don't see any valid results from doing so. As far as additives in oil, that's different from removing particles from oil. More "filter only" changes, or installing "bigger filters" would probably yield better test results as far as particle removal goes.,,

 

[factorytuned2012]

thoughts?

the video shows i think 4 -5 oil changes prior to 10000 miles and an oil analysis each time...

for lack of better terms, wear particles decrease every time and finally level out/normalize signifying completion of break-in.

i have a 2025 toyota sienna. from what i understand, the break in period is over (not verbatim) at 600 miles. the owners manual also wants me to wait until 10000 miles for oil change. i changed my oil at 800 miles (paid at dealership). but this guy did it 5 times before 10000 is ... ?

not necessary you could do 5-6,000 mile oil changes or 6 months.

 

[walterjay]

I do one early OC around 1,200 miles and than every 5K or so. It makes me feel better to do one early.

 

[mva]

My opinion is that 5000 mile OCI is excessive when Toyota recommends 10,000 miles and the engine in a hybrid only runs about 50% of the time.

 

[2016subbforest]

My opinion is that 5000 mile OCI is excessive when Toyota recommends 10,000 miles and the engine in a hybrid only runs about 50% of the time.

i do not exactly know how hybrids work. so the actual (gasoline) engine doesn't run all the time? and the electrical motor doesn't either...?

 

[Glenda W.]

I don't think people are against changing their oil early, it's just they don't see any valid results from doing so. As far as additives in oil, that's different from removing particles from oil. More "filter only" changes, or installing "bigger filters" would probably yield better test results as far as particle removal goes.,,

What really intrigues me is the hypocrisy. If most vehicles can go 200-300k miles without an early oil change this would also hold true for oil additives. Most vehicles go 200-300k without oil additives. So they’re not even staying true to their own argument….

 

[ATex7239]

i do not exactly know how hybrids work. so the actual (gasoline) engine doesn't run all the time? and the electrical motor doesn't either...?

The vehicle can be powered by the internal combustion engine or electric motors or both. The engine runs off of gas and the electric motors run off the batteries. The batteries can be charged by the internal combustion engine or the energy created from stopping the vehicle.

That said these engines have shown signs of condensation and fuel dilution. I stick with 5000 mile oil changes in our hybrid to combat these potential problems. The biggest enemy of the oil in a hybrid design is not mileage or runtime. It’s operating conditions.

 

[TiGeo]

What really intrigues me is the hypocrisy. If most vehicles can go 200-300k miles without an early oil change this would also hold true for oil additives. Most vehicles go 200-300k without oil additives. So they’re not even staying true to their own argument….

Many here make a claim or say something to the effect that not doing an early change is hurting the engine which is different than saying (like some here have) that it just makes them feel better doing it. Who is saying that if you'll don't run XYZ additive you'll hurt your engine or cut its life short by not running it?

 

[Glenda W.]

Many here make a claim or say something to the effect that not doing an early change is hurting the engine which is different than saying (like some here have) that it just makes them feel better doing it. Who is saying that if you'll don't run XYZ additive you'll hurt your engine or cut its life short by not running it?

I’m against that claim too. Valid point. I consider it more of a recommendation. I’d be curious how the manuals are written that recommend early changes?

Just to be clear I personally don’t care what other people do.

 

[EvoMan]

I’d be curious how the manuals are written that recommend early changes?

I have a 2018 Harley Tri Glide. It states that after a new motorcycle has been ridden for 1000 miles it must have the initial service performed to maintain new motorcycle warranty.

 

[GMFan]

Not necessary. Our Honda Odyssey has the
factory fill oil in it and the OLM is 20%. Dealership won’t touch it for the free oil change until 15% when the wrench light comes on. 99% of cars on the road have not had early oil changes and many have hundreds of thousands of miles on them.

 

[Patman]

Not necessary. Our Honda Odyssey has the
factory fill oil in it and the OLM is 20%. Dealership won’t touch it for the free oil change until 15% when the wrench light comes on. 99% of cars on the road have not had early oil changes and many have hundreds of thousands of miles on them.

In a lot of those cases I bet the dealer pushed them into doing an initial oil change at 3000 miles though so technically they might have gotten that earlier change as opposed to having the first change done at 7500 or 10,000.

 

[PF52]

I find it funny that the only people consumed with multiple early oil changes ,are the people here on this site.

Looks like about just as many here claiming its a waste of good oil. I am sure now someone is likely to count the posts and report the final score.

 

[buster]

One change yes. Even on a lawnmower.

But 4-5 and analyzing it each time is simply flexing and unnecessary imho.

I normally agree with him. Wear is going to gradually drop over time. The oil and filter can handle levels of break-in wear. I'm not sure it's necessary to change it out as much as he suggests. I usually do first drain around 1-3k miles. I'll do a subsequent change 3-5k later. If the filter is doing it's job and the oil is doing its job keeping things in suspension, I'm not sure it's necessary to do 4-5 changes in firs 10k miles. Seems excessive and not necessary.

 

[John105]

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No wonder my mom quit going to the senior center!

 

[ka9mnx]

500 mile break in oil changes went out in the 1960's. The only things I change oil early is in new OPE with no oil filter. Oil always comes out looking like silver paint.

 

[John105]

I normally agree with him. Wear is going to gradually drop over time. The oil and filter can handle levels of break-in wear. I'm not sure it's necessary to change it out as much as he suggests. I usually do first drain around 1-3k miles. I'll do a subsequent change 3-5k later. If the filter is doing it's job and the oil is doing its job keeping things in suspension, I'm not sure it's necessary to do 4-5 changes in firs 10k miles. Seems excessive and not necessary.

Transmission fluid I could see multiples, because not even 1/2 is coming out so conventional wisdom often says 3 drain and fills (on my car 3 still leaves 19% old). But with oil, most of it comes out when draining it....