Motul tech says group 3+ on phone conversation
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Not an exact classification - indicates more severe cracking for tracking that It’s closer to higher group performance …
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It’s not an official designation but some will unofficially call GTL base oils group 3+ since they are closer in performance to that of a PAO base oil.
Don't forget Visom™
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They drop some ester content in it. But they are not using GTL for example which many like to call Group 3+.
They use very good Group III though.
Answer: https://www.stle.org/files/TLTArchives/2022/09_September/Cover_Story.aspx
"Group III+ advantages over conventional Group III are that it offers lower cold cranking simulator (CCS) viscosity and Noack volatility, better pour point and oxidative stability and can be a partial or full alternative to PAO in some applications.1"
1. Pirro, D. M., Webster, M., and Daschner, E. (2016). Lubrication fundamentals, revised and expanded. CRC Press.
As already noted, a marketing term just like Chevron’s Group II+ base stocks. It doesn’t designate anything new (only the API could do that) since the performance still falls within the limits of the current API designation for the Group.
who calls them premium? motul or us? is mobil 1 esp premium?
Lol, this answer is just perfect.
So Motul 8100 is more than double the price if Mobil 1, PUP etc. and I don't remember seeing PUP brag about having boron esters which helps it performa amazing etc., whereas Motul oil will have all those shiny amazing things mentioned in its description. So i just presumed they were premium oil, along with LiquiMolly. Boy i was wrong
Motul and Liqui Moly do carry some products with more expensive base stocks and formulations than say Mobil 1 or PUP. It also depends on the definition of premium. More expensive does not automatically mean premium. I think the people at Supertech think they sell a "premium" oil. LOL!
The key is the SDS.
If the Chemical name has "Fischer - Tropsch, heavy C18-50-branched, cyclic and linear (and its corresponding CAS/EC number), then it's Group 3+.
Most of the 8100 line is just hydrocracked petroleum oil, Group 3, except the 8100-Power has Group 4 in it.
Motul has the 300V, with its "Ester Core" technology, which is a Group 5 blend
Liqui Moly is primarily Group 3, until you get the Synthoil Racetech GT1 10w60, which then has primarily Group 4 mixed with Group 3
