Motul tech says group 3+ on phone conversation

[GI_GRIFF]

Can someone tell me what the difference is between group 3+ and group just Group 3? The Motul tech guy said their 8100 series is group 3+ base stocks

 

[4WD]

Not an exact classification - indicates more severe cracking for tracking that It’s closer to higher group performance …

 

[ceecbtg]

Motul says many things and after need to fix it's words and advertising like in Germany.
Depend on which 8100, basically not, most 8100 are good G3 with little G3+ sometimes.

 

[Patman]

It’s not an official designation but some will unofficially call GTL base oils group 3+ since they are closer in performance to that of a PAO base oil.

 

[RooflessVW]

It’s not an official designation but some will unofficially call GTL base oils group 3+ since they are closer in performance to that of a PAO base oil.

Don't forget Visom™

 

[edyvw]

Can someone tell me what the difference is between group 3+ and group just Group 3? The Motul tech guy said their 8100 series is group 3+ base stocks

They drop some ester content in it. But they are not using GTL for example which many like to call Group 3+.
They use very good Group III though.

 

[BMWTurboDzl]

Can someone tell me what the difference is between group 3+ and group just Group 3? The Motul tech guy said their 8100 series is group 3+ base stocks

Answer: https://www.stle.org/files/TLTArchives/2022/09_September/Cover_Story.aspx

"Group III+ advantages over conventional Group III are that it offers lower cold cranking simulator (CCS) viscosity and Noack volatility, better pour point and oxidative stability and can be a partial or full alternative to PAO in some applications.1"

1. Pirro, D. M., Webster, M., and Daschner, E. (2016). Lubrication fundamentals, revised and expanded. CRC Press.

 

[kschachn]

As already noted, a marketing term just like Chevron’s Group II+ base stocks. It doesn’t designate anything new (only the API could do that) since the performance still falls within the limits of the current API designation for the Group.

 

[altaylar]

I feel like vast majority of these premium oils are just premium marketing.

 

[svenson]

I feel like vast majority of these premium oils are just premium marketing.

who calls them premium? motul or us? is mobil 1 esp premium?

 

[altaylar]

who calls them premium? motul or us? is mobil 1 esp premium?

Lol, this answer is just perfect.
So Motul 8100 is more than double the price if Mobil 1, PUP etc. and I don't remember seeing PUP brag about having boron esters which helps it performa amazing etc., whereas Motul oil will have all those shiny amazing things mentioned in its description. So i just presumed they were premium oil, along with LiquiMolly. Boy i was wrong

 

[GI_GRIFF]

Lol, this answer is just perfect.
So Motul 8100 is more than double the price if Mobil 1, PUP etc. and I don't remember seeing PUP brag about having boron esters which helps it performa amazing etc., whereas Motul oil will have all those shiny amazing things mentioned in its description. So i just presumed they were premium oil, along with LiquiMolly. Boy i was wrong

Motul and Liqui Moly do carry some products with more expensive base stocks and formulations than say Mobil 1 or PUP. It also depends on the definition of premium. More expensive does not automatically mean premium. I think the people at Supertech think they sell a "premium" oil. LOL!

 

[HighHy21]

Can someone tell me what the difference is between group 3+ and group just Group 3? The Motul tech guy said their 8100 series is group 3+ base stocks

The key is the SDS.

If the Chemical name has "Fischer - Tropsch, heavy C18-50-branched, cyclic and linear (and its corresponding CAS/EC number), then it's Group 3+.

Most of the 8100 line is just hydrocracked petroleum oil, Group 3, except the 8100-Power has Group 4 in it.