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Motorists, experts say throttles, not floor mats, to blame for sudden acceleration in Toyota, Lexus models

Amid widening concern over acceleration events, Toyota has cited 'floor mat entrapment.' But reports point to another potential cause: the electronic throttles that have replaced mechanical systems.

By Ken Bensinger Ralph Vartabedian
November 29, 2009

Eric Weiss was stopped at a busy Long Beach intersection last month when he said his 2008 Toyota Tacoma pickup unexpectedly started accelerating, forcing him to stand on the brakes to keep the bucking truck from plowing into oncoming cars.

Toyota Motor Corp. says the gas pedal design in Weiss' truck and more than 4 million other Toyota and Lexus vehicles makes them vulnerable to being trapped open by floor mats, and on Wednesday announced a costly recall to fix the problem.

But Weiss is convinced his incident wasn't caused by a floor mat. He said he removed the mats in his truck months earlier on the advice of his Toyota dealer after his truck suddenly accelerated and rear-ended a BMW.

"The brakes squealed and the engine roared," the 52-year-old cabinet maker said of the most recent episode. "I don't want to drive the truck anymore, but I don't want anyone else to, either."

Amid widening concern over unintended acceleration events, including an Aug. 28 crash near San Diego that killed a California Highway Patrol officer and his family, Toyota has repeatedly pointed to "floor mat entrapment" as the problem.

But accounts from motorists such as Weiss, interviews with auto safety experts and a Times review of thousands of federal traffic safety incident reports all point to another potential cause: the electronic throttles that have replaced mechanical systems in recent years.

The Times found that complaints of sudden acceleration in many Toyota and Lexus vehicles shot up almost immediately after the automaker adopted the so-called drive-by-wire system over the last decade. That system uses sensors, microprocessors and electric motors to connect the driver's foot to the engine, rather than a traditional link such as a steel cable.

For some Toyota models, reports of unintended acceleration increased more than five-fold after drive-by-wire systems were adopted, according to the review of thousands of consumer complaints filed with the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration.

Toyota first installed electronic throttles in 2002 model year Lexus ES and Camry sedans. Total complaints of sudden acceleration for the Lexus and Camry in the 2002-04 model years averaged 132 a year. That's up from an average of 26 annually for the 1999-2001 models, the Times review found.

The average number of sudden acceleration complaints involving the Tacoma jumped more than 20 times, on average, in the three years after Toyota's introduction of drive-by-wire in these trucks in 2005. Increases were also found on the hybrid Prius, among other models.

Toyota spokesman Brian Lyons said the automaker could not explain the trend. But Toyota has consistently held that electronic control systems, including drive-by-wire, are not to blame.

"Six times in the past six years NHTSA has undertaken an exhaustive review of allegations of unintended acceleration on Toyota and Lexus vehicles," Toyota said in a statement earlier this month. "Six times the agency closed the investigation without finding any electronic engine control system malfunction to be the cause of unintended acceleration."

NHTSA officials have consistently said they have not found any electronic defects. "In the high-speed incidents, which are the type of crashes in which death or serious injury is most likely, the only pattern NHTSA has found to explain at least some of them are pedal entrapment by floor mats," a spokeswoman said in a written statement.

Toyota has been under a spotlight since the San Diego crash, in which the driver's desperate efforts to stop the car were recorded on a 911 emergency call made by a passenger. After that incident, The Times reported that sudden acceleration events involving Toyota vehicles have resulted in at least 19 deaths since the introduction of the 2002 model year. By comparison, NHTSA says all other automakers combined had 11 fatalities related to sudden acceleration in the same period.

Independent electronics and engineering experts say the drive-by-wire systems differ from automaker to automaker and that the potential for electronic throttle control systems to malfunction may have been dismissed too quickly by both Toyota and federal safety officials.

Unlike mechanical systems, electronic throttles -- which have the look and feel of traditional gas pedals -- are vulnerable to software glitches, manufacturing defects and electronic interference that could cause sudden acceleration, they say.

Ask the computer

"With the electronic throttle, the driver is not really in control of the engine," said Antony Anderson, a UK-based electrical engineering consultant who investigates electrical failures and has testified in sudden-acceleration lawsuits. "You are telling the computer, will you please move the throttle to a certain level and the computer decides if it will obey you."

Although Toyota says it knows of no electronic defects that would cause a vehicle to surge out of control, it has issued at least three technical service bulletins to its dealers warning of problems with the new electronic throttles in the 2002 and 2003 Camry.

The throttle systems on six-cylinder engines can cause the vehicle to "exhibit a surging during light throttle input at speeds between 38 mph and 42 mph," according to one of the bulletins that was published by Alldata, a vehicle information company. The solution provided to dealers was to reprogram the engine control module.

NHTSA, the nation's primary agency for auto safety, has conducted a total of eight investigations of unintended acceleration in Toyota vehicles since 2003, prompted by defect petitions from motorists and its own examination of complaints. But the agency has tested electronic throttle systems only twice in those probes, its records show.

Three years ago, the agency asked Toyota to test an electronic throttle component from a 2006 Camry, a task the company delegated to the Japanese supplier that manufactured the part. The supplier exonerated the throttle, and then NHTSA allowed Toyota to keep virtually the entire 74-page report almost entirely confidential. The report, posted on the agency's website, has dozens of redacted pages.

The other test, conducted at a NHTSA laboratory in Massachusetts, found that a Toyota throttle exhibited unusual behavior when researchers applied a magnetic field to the device's sensitive electronics. Engine speed surged by 1,000 revolutions per minute, according to a 2008 report by the agency's Vehicle Research and Test Center.

No explanation

Nonetheless, the lab concluded that the system "showed no vulnerabilities to electric signal activities." The details of the experiment were not explained in the lab report and the agency never explained the apparent contradiction.

The electronic throttle was first introduced by BMW in 1988.Like a conventional throttle system, it controls the flow of air into the engine. Today, every new Toyota vehicle sold in the U.S. uses drive-by-wire. The systems cost less to install on the assembly line and increase the efficiency of the vehicle.

To run these advanced throttle systems, each automaker develops its own electronic control modules and proprietary software that has unique control logic. The operations of the systems are opaque to consumers, as are potential failures.

In a worst-case scenario, consultant Anderson says, stray electrical voltages, electromagnetic signals or bad sensor readings could cause an undetectable error within the car's network of up to 70 microprocessors, setting off an unpredictable chain of reactions. One of those, he said, could be a command to completely open the throttle.

The auto industry has battled allegations of electronic defects in sudden-acceleration lawsuits for more than two decades, arguing that they are not caused by any vehicle defect.

Richard Schmidt, a former UCLA psychology professor and consultant specializing in human motor skills, said the problem almost always lies with drivers who step on the wrong pedal.

"When the driver says they have their foot on the brake, they are just plain wrong," Schmidt said. "The human motor system is not perfect and it doesn't always do what it is told."

To be sure, the complaints by Toyota and Lexus owners about sudden acceleration involve a tiny share of the company's vehicles on the road.

But runaway acceleration represents a high proportion of the complaints filed by consumers about Toyota in federal databases. For the 2007 Lexus ES sedan, for example, 74 of 132 complaints filed with NTHSA alleged sudden acceleration.

And independent experts say that the number of complaints actually filed is only a tiny fraction of all potential problems, since most people don't bother filing a report.

Critics say NHTSA hasn't kept pace with technological changes.

The auto industry has undergone a technological revolution in the last decade, and today about 25% of a vehicle's price reflects its electronics content. Nonetheless, NHTSA has adopted few, if any, standards for designing or testing vehicle electronics, according to industry officials. Indeed, the agency's two-page safety standard for accelerators was adopted in 1973.

Dale Kardos, who runs a consulting firm that helps automakers with regulatory issues, said that manufacturers have repeatedly tried to get that standard updated because they fear they can no longer comply. "The industry would like to see standards written to reflect modern technology," Kardos said.

Instead, independent organizations and the industry itself are setting standards and developing safety policies. The International Organization for Standardization, a nongovernment group that sets industrial standards, recently introduced a new standard for automakers to protect vehicle electronics.

Supplier TRW Automotive Holdings Corp., which makes computerized controls for brakes and airbags, said its systems have multiple layers of redundancy to make sure electronic faults are detected and isolated.

"Manufacturers' standards are far above the regulatory standards," said Ian Harvey, TRW's executive lead for electromechanical compatibility. "You wouldn't want somebody to make a cellphone call and the air bag goes off. That potentially could happen if you didn't take the proper precautions."

Despite the huge increase in complexity, when NHTSA investigators conduct field tests of alleged malfunctions of Toyota throttle systems, they rarely have done more than drive suspect vehicles for a few miles, test the brakes and plug a diagnostic tool into their onboard computers to look for error codes, investigation records show.

Michael Pecht, a professor of mechanical engineering at the University of Maryland who has studied sudden acceleration for 10 years, said it's nearly impossible to replicate an electronic control system fault simply by driving a short distance. "These are not things that occur every day. If it occurred a lot, you could track it down. If it occurs once in 10,000 trips, then it is difficult to find," he said.

What's more, said Huei Peng, director of the University of Michigan's automotive engineering program and a specialist in vehicle control systems, many of the kinds of electronic errors that a modern car is susceptible to are not detectable by the car's fault detection system.

"When there's no error code, it doesn't mean there's no error," Peng said.

Despite the potential risks associated with electronic systems, NHTSA's own reports indicate it often does not test them while investigating unintended acceleration.

In a 2005 probe of Lexus ES vehicles, NHTSA reported that its investigator reviewed two vehicles that had allegedly surged out of control, but that "no interrogation or communication with the electronic systems was performed" before giving them a clean bill of health.

Texas resident Thomas Ritter, who has a mechanical engineering degree and spent 15 years as an engineer at General Motors, Chrysler and other auto and truck makers as well as 25 years designing oil exploration equipment, believes Toyota's acceleration problem lies in the electronics.

Last July, his wife was driving her 2006 Lexus ES 330 with four grandchildren near Houston when it accelerated out of control. To avoid a wreck, she crossed four lanes of traffic before smashing into a masonry sign, totaling the car and deploying the airbags. No one was seriously injured.

"When you think about a machine operated by computers, almost anything can go wrong," said Ritter.

A 'smart pedal'

Toyota announced Wednesday that it had developed a series of fixes to prevent floor mats from causing sudden acceleration. In 4.26 million vehicles in the U.S. and Canada, Toyota said it would cut off a segment of the accelerator pedal and then later install a newly designed pedal. It also will add a so-called smart pedal, software that cuts engine power any time both the accelerator pedal and brake pedal are depressed at the same time.

Such software has already been adopted as a safety feature by a number of automakers, including Volkswagen, Audi, Porsche, BMW, Nissan and Chrysler, the companies said.

Independent auto safety experts said that while all of Toyota's fixes will help reduce the problem, it has not gotten to the root cause.

"These incidents are coming in left and right where you can't blame the floor mats," said Sean Kane, president of the consulting firm Safety Research and Strategies. "So, they are chipping away at a problem that is widespread and complicated without having to unravel a root cause that could be very expensive."

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I believe we haven't heard the whole story, at least from the technical side of things. I believe Toyota is fixing the perceived problem, not the real problem. The last few lines of the story say it well.

After all, who said that floormats are the problem? -- Toyota did! This may be to deflect attention from the real issue of problems with the electronic throttle. This would be a very expensive recall. Only time will tell when we get more reports of sudden acceleration from cars without floormats.

Then there's the possibility that most of the involved drivers are old or confused and unintentionally step on the gas when they truly think they're pressing the brake -- just like the Audi issue from 20 years ago. There's been no mention of the demographics involved in the Toyota case.

The smart pedal will present its own problems, and sometimes dangerous problems. For one, drivers will not be able to dry out their brakes after driving through a deep puddle as I do. After driving through a deep puddle, I bear down lightly on the brakes to dry them out while at the same time my foot is on the gas.

Heaven help a person who taps on the brakes while driving. The car will stall out in traffic and be a danger on the road, since the driver needs to stop the car to restart it.

One more thought. I talked with oilbabe about the California case where four died, and how shifting to neutral could have instantly defused the situation. She said, "I didn't know you could do that! I would be in a panic and probably die!" I guess some people still need to be educated about this.
 
I for one am glad to see Toyota being held accountable for their defects.

Bring it out in the open and lets get to the bottom of it.
 
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Today, every new Toyota vehicle sold in the U.S. uses drive-by-wire. The systems cost less to install on the assembly line and increase the efficiency of the vehicle.


Aside from not needing a separate idle speed control motor I don't see how this is possible. And the stepper ISC motor can move relatively slowly and not have to move a huge butterfly. You can buy a pack of four bicycle shifter/ brake cables at walmart for $5!

This has nothing to do with efficiency... and all to do with emissions (HC "burps" when the throttle is slammed shut) and powertrain longevity (no tire chirping sudden WOT slams the transmission wasn't expecting.) Sure the gear changes are smoother but they've been cutting timing to cut power for a while now and that's worked okay.

I don't see why we can't have two throttle plates in series... one mechanical, one electronically handled, if this evolution absolutely has to happen.

I rented a new Pontiac, whatever replaced the Grand Am, G6?, with ecotec, TBW, and automatic tranny. The programming was awful! I am pretty sure it limited torque from 0-25 MPH as I had a scary traffic entering accelleration non-event. Holding the pedal steady it would surge at 35 and again 45 MPH as the "peppy highway program" took over. Once even downshifted!
 
Originally Posted By: Kestas



The smart pedal will present its own problems, and sometimes dangerous problems. For one, drivers will not be able to dry out their brakes after driving through a deep puddle as I do. After driving through a deep puddle, I bear down lightly on the brakes to dry them out while at the same time my foot is on the gas.

Heaven help a person who taps on the brakes while driving. The car will stall out in traffic and be a danger on the road, since the driver needs to stop the car to restart it.



Really now.

I wonder how Volkswagen, Audi, Porsche, BMW, Nissan and Chrysler already manage with their 'smart pedals'.

Also, the article didn't say the vehicle would shut down (obviously it wouldn't as you would lose power assist to the brakes/steering etc., assuming those systems were not electric), it said the vehicle power would be reduced. Hence, you would not have to stop the vehicle to restart it.

You're being very Chicken Little about something that Toyota hasn't even introduced, and other manufacturers somehow have in their vehicles without catastrophic problems.
 
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Originally Posted By: SteveSRT8
I for one am glad to see Toyota being held accountable for their defects.

Bring it out in the open and lets get to the bottom of it.


Agreed, after all the publicity on the GM, Ford, and Chrysler safety defects finally one for Toyota. [censored] floor mats...
 
Originally Posted By: Kestas

The smart pedal will present its own problems, and sometimes dangerous problems. For one, drivers will not be able to dry out their brakes after driving through a deep puddle as I do. After driving through a deep puddle, I bear down lightly on the brakes to dry them out while at the same time my foot is on the gas.

Heaven help a person who taps on the brakes while driving. The car will stall out in traffic and be a danger on the road, since the driver needs to stop the car to restart it.

Nothing says the engine has to cut off completely. Every production vehicle I am aware of is already capable of limiting power. My truck has an RPM limiter, a speed limiter, and it will not go past 3000 RPM in park, and it's many years behind any new Toyota in technology. Toyota should be able to come up with a reflash or something that would have the vehicle reduce or limit power when the brakes are applied. There is no reason at all that a car should ever be going WOT with the brakes applied at full force.

The way they handle this could really affect their reputation in the long run. Toyota has built up a strong reputation, but so did the big 3 before their decline began. When people start associating Toyotas with a dangerous throttle defect instead of quality, they are going to have a big problem. The way they have handled it so far is pretty lousy. Zip ties holding floor mats to seat tracks? Really? Unless they step up and handle this properly, I think it's going to really hurt them in the long run.
 
We need something to parallel "Accellerates Under Demonic Influence" to resonate in peoples' minds.

Something like, "Throttle's Open, You're Off The Accelerator"
 
Originally Posted By: 01rangerxl
Originally Posted By: Kestas

The smart pedal will present its own problems, and sometimes dangerous problems. For one, drivers will not be able to dry out their brakes after driving through a deep puddle as I do. After driving through a deep puddle, I bear down lightly on the brakes to dry them out while at the same time my foot is on the gas.

Heaven help a person who taps on the brakes while driving. The car will stall out in traffic and be a danger on the road, since the driver needs to stop the car to restart it.

Nothing says the engine has to cut off completely. Every production vehicle I am aware of is already capable of limiting power. My truck has an RPM limiter, a speed limiter, and it will not go past 3000 RPM in park, and it's many years behind any new Toyota in technology. Toyota should be able to come up with a reflash or something that would have the vehicle reduce or limit power when the brakes are applied. There is no reason at all that a car should ever be going WOT with the brakes applied at full force.

The way they handle this could really affect their reputation in the long run. Toyota has built up a strong reputation, but so did the big 3 before their decline began. When people start associating Toyotas with a dangerous throttle defect instead of quality, they are going to have a big problem. The way they have handled it so far is pretty lousy. Zip ties holding floor mats to seat tracks? Really? Unless they step up and handle this properly, I think it's going to really hurt them in the long run.


Good post and many previous also good.

Most everyone recalls that Audi had a throttle issue years ago. That unfortunate problem affected Audi Sales for years after the problem was rectified.

Toyota does not want to see the problem beyond mats interfering with a gas pedal because that relieves them of product liability claims for the injuries, deaths and property damage that has occurred.

Toyota will attempt to include mat misplacement as the main focus so that driver/owner error remains involved.

The tally for product liability claims would make the Firestone and Ford Explorer rollovers look like small potatoes.

Yes, Toyota should immediately flash new software so that throttle opening is reduced to idle whenever the brakes are applied beyond a slight application. It should be done to every car brought in under the recall before they find the "real cause" to prevent any further injuries and deaths. It is arguable that although it would interfere with drying one's brakes while moving forward, driving convenience should be sacrificed on the altar of safety.

IMO, the Japanese would have done well to get their drive by wire systems, or at least licensed the designs initially, from the same manufacturers as tried and tested German brands. I believe that may be the case with some manufacturers because I have seen other names under the hood of some Japanese designs.

I have personally experienced difficulty with Japanese drive-by-wire systems that seem to prioritize power demand based upon pedal position over and above the application of an ABS system applied a split second later. Using the same computer to handle the data, an application of throttle with an application of brakes may be interpreted as conflicting instructions and the computer defaults one way or another depending on the software and system.

Most of us have owned a car or two that had marginal braking ability. How quickly a car stops at 60 mph with the brakes applied is a poor indicator of how the same car will stop at WOT at 60 mph with the same brakes. That should be the measure of adequate braking systems.

Most 2500 lb sub-compacts have smaller brakes than motorcycles weighing 1/5th as much. NHTSA and NIIS need to wake up.

Millions of drivers drive automatic transmission cars with one foot on the brake and the other on the gas. As we age, a significant percentage of the population is affected by an increasing loss of feeling and location for their feet and their legs and these problems are not new. We have all seen cars that flicker their brake lights because the driver is touching the brake pedal.

Toyota clearly needs to act immediately and look beyond car mats, brake pedals and drivers. This is something new and has affected experienced drivers not prone to driving mistakes.
 
Originally Posted By: OilGuy2

Millions of drivers drive automatic transmission cars with one foot on the brake and the other on the gas. As we age, a significant percentage of the population is affected by an increasing loss of feeling and location for their feet and their legs and these problems are not new. We have all seen cars that flicker their brake lights because the driver is touching the brake pedal.


If anything, this reflashing will cure them of that bad habit. People can still dry their brakes, they'll just have to "pulse" power then hit the brakes a few times. Besides, with at least a pair of front discs, my brakes dry sufficiently after a puddle within a wheel revolution anyway.
 
Originally Posted By: Kestas
rcy and 01rangerxl, thanks for correcting me. All the article said was "cuts engine power".


Yeah, sorry if I was a little short with my answer. I was at work. Working always makes me grumpy. At home now.
 
Originally Posted By: OilGuy2

Good post and many previous also good.

Most everyone recalls that Audi had a throttle issue years ago. That unfortunate problem affected Audi Sales for years after the problem was rectified.



Not to be a nitpicker, but Audi "drivers" had a problem with the gas pedal (mistaking it for the brake). There was nothing wrong with the throttle system or the gas pedal itself.

IIRC, some 60 minutes piece of [censored] TV episode (where they actually used a 'rigged' Audi 5000) is what almost led to the death of Audi in North America.

Wikipedia (not the best source of knowledge, but the first google hit)

"On November 23, 1986, 60 Minutes aired a segment greenlit by Don Hewitt, concerning the Audi 5000 automobile, a popular German luxury car. The story covered a supposed problem of "unintended acceleration" when the brake pedal was pushed, with emotional interviews with six people who sued Audi (unsuccessfully) after they crashed their cars, including one woman who had killed her six year old boy. Footage was shown of a Audi 5000 with the accelerator moving down on its own, accelerating the car, after an expert witness employed by one of the plaintiffs modified it with a concealed device to cause it to do so.[19] Independent investigators concluded that this was most likely due to driver incompetence, where the driver let their foot slip off the brake and onto the accelerator. Tests by Audi and independent journalists showed that even with the throttle wide open, the car would simply stall if the brakes were actually being used.[20] Some claims were made that this was in part due to a slightly closer placing of the pedals than in many American cars, which allows smoother driving for greater fuel efficiency and more control in an emergency situation.

The incident devastated Audi sales in the United States, which did not reach the same level for another fifteen years. The initial incidents which prompted the report were found by the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration and Transport Canada to have been attributable to operator error, where car owners had depressed the accelerator pedal instead of the brake pedal. CBS issued a partial retraction, without acknowledging the test results of involved government agencies.[21]

A rival to 60 Minutes, Dateline NBC, would be found guilty of similar tactics years later regarding fuel tank integrity on General Motors pickup trucks."
 
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One more thought. I talked with oilbabe about the California case where four died, and how shifting to neutral could have instantly defused the situation. She said, "I didn't know you could do that! I would be in a panic and probably die!" I guess some people still need to be educated about this.


Another, although somewhat potentially dangerous (on a secondary level) action, would be to simply turn off the key. Not one of the "victims" chose either of those coping techniques. Now they may have over shot "OFF" and hit LOCK and lose steering ..but it would have exchanged a totally out of control event into a more manageable event.

..and I don't care what anyone says...I will not dispute statistical data ..but I will never willingly buy a "drive by wire" system'd car if alternatives are available. Nope. Cars are much too cheaply built. As we can see ..when there's a design SNAFU ..the society as a whole just bears the cost of refitting all the units correctly.

Many will cite that commercial air craft have used such technology for a long time ..but no one measures air craft failures on the number of uses (take offs and landings) they calculate their "success" in deaths per million miles. Under that standard, the Space Shuttle would be, by far, the safest way to travel ..but would 100% assure 100% fatalities every 200 times (I think) you used it. Cars risk a fatality every time someone turns the key ..whether it's .1 mile or 500. They can be single passenger'd ..or fully loaded.
 
actually the space shuttle isn't that safe. out of the 130 times it launched it had catastrophic failure 2 times.
 
Originally Posted By: wapacz
actually the space shuttle isn't that safe. out of the 130 times it launched it had catastrophic failure 2 times.

The Audi 5000 holds the record for the most number of claims by drivers and owners of a major defect. It was listed as 1 in every 170 cars and Audi took a long, circuitous course to deal with the problem, choosing to exhaust every avenue to blame drivers instead of the car they manufactured.

Although the 60 Minutes report clearly hurt the manufacturers reputation, Audi followed a path that spells out what a manufacturer should not do when sudden acceleration is being claimed and people who have no history of accidents are wiping out parked cars, trees or pedestrians. Some died...it was a very bad situation for owners, drivers and the manufacturer.

Audi's initial take on it was that it was car mat interference, just like Toyota. Changing the mats didn't stop the claims of sudden acceleration. Deja vu!

Then Audi claimed it was driver unfamiliarity with the pedal controls so they installed a plate to change the height of the brake pedal to make it different than the gas pedal. The claims of sudden acceleration continued.

Then Audi recanted that drivers were responsible and made changes to the automatic transmission so that drivers had to step on the brake pedal to move the shift lever from Park to Drive. Yet still instances of sudden acceleration were being claimed and were coming from experienced drivers of an age group not known for accidents and not associated with the issue of advancing age.

It almost drove Audi out of the US until the A4, A6 and A8 models were marketed and won back significant market share.

Toyota needs to be very careful and look much deeper than mats and pedals. I hope they find the problem and find it soon. The Audi case shows them what not to do. A major recall was a good start but Toyota needs to find an elusive technical problem and not just replace mats and modify pedals. Deja Vu, indeed.
 
I'm not sure I would want a throttle by wire system, but I do know that mechanical throttles stick too. Happened to my wife in a VW Dasher wagon back in the day. Throttle stuck wide open and she finally stopped it by standing on the brakes.
 
Originally Posted By: OilGuy2
Then Audi claimed it was driver unfamiliarity with the pedal controls so they installed a plate to change the height of the brake pedal to make it different than the gas pedal. The claims of sudden acceleration continued.

Then Audi recanted that drivers were responsible and made changes to the automatic transmission so that drivers had to step on the brake pedal to move the shift lever from Park to Drive. Yet still instances of sudden acceleration were being claimed and were coming from experienced drivers of an age group not known for accidents and not associated with the issue of advancing age.

Oilguy, I'm not sure where you got your information, but the final word I read on the Audi case is that it WAS mostly the demographic of older drivers unfamiliar with their new Audi, and that pedal placement WAS partly to blame. The pedals were at the same height and both shifted slightly to the left when compared with most other vehicles. Since then, the brake pedal is now two inches higher than the gas pedal on most vehicles.
 
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