quote:Y'know what this sounds like? The Michelin US Grand Prix debacle. Michelin is claiming that they had no access to the Indianapolis Motor Speedway, which had been resurfaced since last year. Apparently a couple of the tires they developed for the US GP blew out on a high banked turn during practice. Their accusation is Bridgestone had data on the track surface because their Firestone division was working at the Indy 500.
Originally posted by Filter guy: Gary: You're on the right track. As we know Champ builds all the Ford OEM filters. Obviously they know the specs. They are not at libertly to give that information to other filter companies. Suppose Mann & Hummel wanted to know? Or Taisei Kogyo? Champ couldn't share that info. Some OEM's are better than others at sharing.
quote:I don't think most say they meet OEM specs, but rather that "New car warranties remain in effect." I think it's fairly easy to determine what a bypass setting is. Other than that, I've never really heard of every filter maker exceeding OEM filter contruction. A company such as Fram actually had access to Honda's specs when they made the 15400-PT7-005 filter for American Honda. However - it's fairly well known that the equivalent Fram PH6811 aftermarket filter has less media and a thinner can. Not to mention no molded gasket.
Originally posted by Gary Allan: built to manufacturer's specifications I believe that it actually is stated, "meets or exceeds". So you take a OEM filter ..determine it's media characteristics for this and that. Build a can with better burst strength, etc...etc.. Test XX filters ..see what the mean flow was ..calculate your standard deviations and then go one better..
quote:Well, almost. A Wix 51410 is a PH16 sized Ford style filter with no bypass. If you email Wix ..they may have a longer version of it. X-ref of this filter to a Donaldson show that it has a bypass, albiet 17lb. btw-lt2000 ..err don't be shy. You could have started a whole new topic for this.
Hi, can someone tell me what filter will cross to an FL1A but without a bypass.
quote:FG, My point with filter CI's was that you keep claiming that people exceed the mfg recommendations with the filter change intervals. I do not believe that is true because the filter change intervals are often twice the OCI's. Like on my Mitsu. BTW. I always change the filter with my oil.
Winston..I believe my car manual says to change the filter and oil every change interval. Others may vary. If ,as a consumer, you want to change oil and leave contaminated oil in the filter and a media that has reached X % of it's service life because a manual says so..do it. I wouldn't. I would change the filter every time, personally.
quote:This is something that has been discussed by others,yet it just doesnt seem to be getting through. If the OCI is 7500 miles or the filter change is every other time,the car owner is doeng exactly what the manufacturer is saying to do. They are not running past their directions/recommendations nor are they neglecting the auto. This is what the auto maker specs. This just doesnt seem to be getting through. If a filter is not made to do this,it should say so on the box.
Originally posted by Winston:quote:FG, My point with filter CI's was that you keep claiming that people exceed the mfg recommendations with the filter change intervals. I do not believe that is true because the filter change intervals are often twice the OCI's. Like on my Mitsu.
quote:I recently cut open an FL-820S. It was only in service for 1100 miles on a '97 Expedition 4.6L. The oil was primarily QS semisyn. 10w30 API SH, with 1 qt. of MMO thrown in the mix. This is what the filter looked like:
Originally posted by Islandvic: Lubeowner or Filterguy, have you cut open any MoCraft FL-820S filters before for Modular V-8 Fords? If so, what were you seeing? Thanks guys!