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Originally Posted By: Jarlaxle
Non helmeted riders should be required to have at least ten million dollars in medical insurance.

Your not from this country either ... your from the Socialist Republic of New England ...
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Originally Posted By: Truckedup
I'm pushing 70 and been riding since the early 1970's.....The older I get, the more protective equipment I wear...next year will be the full body armor
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The helmets? I recommend wearing the best one you can afford and a leather or Kevlar jacket and boots at the least...But like smoking and being fat, it's a personal decision in my opinion...


EXACTLY!
Its called personal freedom, some of the young do not understand that concept of being an individual and taking responsibility for your own body. They expect their public servants to take care of them because their mommy and daddy no longer do!
For those who dont know, a Public Servant is who you vote for, they are suppose to serve you, you are supposed to have the privileges, not them ...
 
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Originally Posted By: alarmguy

Ok, you mention seat belts - a seat belt is a passive device that is placed over your body, not on your body, a seat belt does PROTECT THE PUBLIC, if you lose control of your car, a seat belt will lock you in place at the controls where you may be able to avoid hurting others.

I'm quite sure this is going to be the most ridiculous thing I read this week, and it's only Tuesday.
If you encounter the forces at which a seatbelt is going to do anything useful, you're certainly not going to do anything to avoid hurting others.
It protects your a$$, plain and simple.
 
My thought was to always ride a little faster than traffic on major multi-lane highways. I hate getting ran up on, as i cant see that well and i would rather pass people than be passed and possibly get hit. Not to an unsafe level but usually 10mph over will do the trick.
 
i've been riding for 49 years. who ever wrote that artical can get screwed. i've never judged anyone by how they dress to ride. to each their own.
 
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Originally Posted By: alarmguy

Ok, you mention seat belts - a seat belt is a passive device that is placed over your body, not on your body, a seat belt does PROTECT THE PUBLIC, if you lose control of your car, a seat belt will lock you in place at the controls where you may be able to avoid hurting others.

I'm quite sure this is going to be the most ridiculous thing I read this week, and it's only Tuesday.
If you encounter the forces at which a seatbelt is going to do anything useful, you're certainly not going to do anything to avoid hurting others.
It protects your a$$, plain and simple.


1. It's only Tuesday, google is your friend, read up on head injuries in automobiles by people wearing seat belts and how if forced to wear a helmet, 10s of thousands of head injuries would be prevented.

2. Any automobile or truck with seat belts lock you into place allowing you to possibly avoid a collision by being able to stay in your place behind the steering wheel. Countless times when exiting freeways at high speeds the seat belt locks you in and you don't slide.
 
I don't care what people wear when they ride....nor should they give a rats behind what I wear when I ride. But unfortunately the law in my state requires certain items...and, of course, I follow it.
 
Originally Posted By: alarmguy
Originally Posted By: Mik
Originally Posted By: alarmguy


Controversial, yes, but most of what he says (based on 35+ years and 400,000 miles+ of riding experience) is spot-on (can't rally comment on the tire thing, but I generally take it easy on new tires, FWIW)

While the debate about forcing people to wear a helmet is a contentious one, as far as I am concerned, anyone riding without one is simply proving that they have nothing worth protecting. In other words, governments shouldn't have to force people to wear one as people should wear them on their own (and not these little "microhelmet" contraptions, a veritable full-face helmet, same goes for wearing the rest of the adequate gear; shorts and sandals are NOT riding gear, regardless of what you ride - before someone tries to turn this into a anti-cruiser post, which it is not). I seem to recall Gary Busey being a rabid anti-helmet type, that is until he had a fall and smashed his noggin against a curb. Thankfully he survived, but he's been very quiet on the helmet front since then... funny how that works.

As for loud pipes, they likely do help to some degree, but the downside for everyone else but the rider (ie. major annoyance; not to mention losing riding areas) does not justify it. Learn to ride (to use your brakes, evasive techniques, get a decent horn,...) stay alert and you'll be far safer than having loud pipes and relying on them as your sole defensive mechanism - to rely on loud pipes alone to save your butt is very short-sighted (and that is being polite).




I can understand your post taking into account you are from another country, being the USA is supposed to be the beacon of freedom for individual rights I do not expect you to understand. Nice trolling attempt. As a Canadian citizen, I am in no way disadvantaged on the freedom front. Nice try though.
[/b]Government can not force you to wear anything on your body that you do not want too.

Your thoughts and words reflect many of those even in my country but they are wrong for they do not understand the individual FREEDOMS that are to be respected by our public SERVANTS. Let me reiterate what I said in my first post: no one with a brain should even consider riding a motorcycle without a helmet. So, in light of previous statement, no public servant should ever have to intervene to ensure compliance on what is so blatanly obvious.

Your comments are slanted at best and misleading at worst.

1. Loud Pipes - No one said "rely solely" on loud pipes for safety. One thing for sure, you KNOW WHEN A BIKE with loud pipes is in your blind spot vs a quiet bike.

2. You bring up seat belts in a car but not helmets, interesting. Really? Show me where! (Speaking of misleading...)
Do you know how many of the 30,000 PLUS DEATHS in the USA EVERY SINGLE YEAR would be prevented if people in automobiles were forced to wear helmets?
Do you know out of the 100,000 or more automobile head injuries would be prevented if people in motor vehicles were forced to wear helmets?

Bottom line, in the USA we are a free people without PUBLIC servants imposing their thoughts on how we should live. See above comment on helmet use; your attempt to derail the helmet issue is simplistic and erroneous. Of course, if you are so set of dying with your brain spalttered on the pavement, who am I to disagree. Enter Darwin... Ok, you mention seat belts (again: where? are you so stifled for arguments that you ahve to invent things? sad)- a seat belt is a passive device that is placed over your body, not on your body, a seat belt does PROTECT THE PUBLIC, if you lose control of your car, a seat belt will lock you in place at the controls where you may be able to avoid hurting others.
A Helmet does not, it just protects against personal injury. Correct, it is its very prupose. Good work! There may hope after all!

A helmet on a driver of an automobile will save countless lives and head injuries, 1000 times more then motorcycle helmets ... but, again, we live in a free country. Ever notice race car drivers wear helmets? *L*

BTW - Down here in South Carolina, the land of the free (spare me the Americana [censored]), we do not have to wear helmets.
I do wear a helmet because I choose too (congratualtions! and to think, you came to that conclusion all on your own!), I do not look down on someone who doesnt, because motorcycles are dangerous, helmet or not.
If you want to prevent injuries, if you want your public servants to be your mommy or daddy, BAN motorcycles from public roads, no matter how you look at it, they are plain dangerous and nothing is going to make them safe.
I do not have loud pipes either...but I know when a bike with loud pipes is in my blind spot. (see previous comment from police officer who commented on situations with sirens; but of course, you likely don`t want anything to interfere with your delusion and right to annoy everyone around you... Land of the free and all)
 
again, feel free to ride without a helmet... and enjoy the right to have your brain scattered all over the pavement. No governement should have to enforce a helmet law because no sane person should be riding without one. Doing so is essentially time-release suicide..... again, time to take up Russian Roulette.... your right to do so, of course..... Mr Freedom
 
Well, at least we agree on the freedom part, and as I posted, I ALWAYS wear a helmet in my helmet free state, but I don't look down on people who choose not to. Much of the non riding public thinks its Russian Roulette, helmet or not.
 
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Originally Posted By: ZeeOSix
Originally Posted By: 02SE
Originally Posted By: barryh
Hands up anyone who has removed the mould vent pips one by one on a new tire.


I just wear those off by riding. But perhaps even more unusual, I do like the smell of new tires..


Even on the side wall? ... dang!
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We call that leaning it over..

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Incidentally, did you ever get the new tires mounted on the Bus?
 
Originally Posted By: 02SE
Originally Posted By: ZeeOSix
Originally Posted By: 02SE
Originally Posted By: barryh
Hands up anyone who has removed the mould vent pips one by one on a new tire.


I just wear those off by riding. But perhaps even more unusual, I do like the smell of new tires..


Even on the side wall? ... dang!
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We call that leaning it over..

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Incidentally, did you ever get the new tires mounted on the Bus?


I hope your not on the sidewall ... that would mean your bike is flat on it side.
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I didn't get the new tires on the Busa because I got side tracked with buying and riding the new XSR900. This spring for the Busa.
 
As far as riding with or without a helmet ... I feel totally vulnerable and in danger (which I am) without riding gear.
 
My contribution to this thread is that if you wear a modular helmet, don't go around with the modular front raised all the way up at the gas pumps or wherever, it looks dorky as [censored].

DISCLAIMER: I wear a modular but tenaciously avoid the above described practice.
 
Originally Posted By: alarmguy
Originally Posted By: Jarlaxle
Originally Posted By: alarmguy
Originally Posted By: Jarlaxle
Non helmeted riders should be required to have at least ten million dollars in medical insurance.

Your not from this country either ... your from the Socialist Republic of New England ...
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Without said coverage, they should, when they crash, be left on the ground to bleed out.


I assume that you mean anyone riding a motorcycle, helmet or not, the majority of Americans feel they are far to dangerous, I assume you mean, if someone is intoxicated, the same rules should apply.

In fact, let everyone make their own rules for any activity.
Good thing about the majority of Americans, they all don't think like you, you may need their help one day.
We understand we are a free people and the vast majority of us are humane people who do not wish to see anyone die, for any reason. We are always willing to help.


Would you like a baseball bat to use on your straw man?
 
OK I'll jump in. I didn't ride until I no longer had a family, kids grown etc. I do think louder than stock pipes save accidents. I have aftermarket pipes with baffles that create a Harley rumble. I detest straight pipes. To me women in suvs on a cell phone are one of the scariest things on the road. I have come up beside them and they all of a sudden realized I was there because of my pipes.
As for helmets, I'm not going to call people who don't have them names like some of you on here. I live in a helmet state but enjoy riding in Fl. without one. I believe it's not up to us when we die. An expensive full face helmet is only guaranteed to preserve your face for your casket.
Oct before last, I was riding my new 14 Ultra Ltd down a straight deserted country road. Perfect conditions, no traffic, can see for 2 miles down the road. Came upon an suv with it's left turn signal on. I'm going 55, surely she can see me with my led "Daymaker" headlights on a bright sunny day. As I approach her, she starts to turn in front of me. I can't believe it and hit my anti lock brakes. The bike slowed down without skidding to about 20 and I rammed her in the side. I caved in her doors and fell over to my left. sore elbow and scrapped wrist. My new bike with 1k miles on it needed a whole new front end which took several months to get the parts from the factory. It scared the woman to death because she NEVER looked straight ahead before turning. You just never know. I had my carbon fiber half helmet on but didn't hit my head at all.
The funny thing about it was the cops. They were last to arrive and were uptight as [censored] because the got a call about a motorist turning in front of a cycle. That's usually a bad scene. When they arrived they kept looking at the bike, the road with no skid marks, and me leaning on the guardrail, trying to make sense of it.
It was the Lord and antilock brakes that saved me that day. Perfect conditions and the one car on the road tried to kill me.

I will say that riding in AZ during the summer, it was cooler to wear a black half helmet than not in that heat.
 
I think I remember reading someplace about your accident, glad it all worked out for you, without question, ABS is a must have for me. Sometimes I forget to mention the ABS.

When I bought my 2014 Road King, I had two absolute must haves. A 6 speed transmission and Antilock brakes.Talk about safety, ABS on a bike is nothing short of amazing.

I only needed them one time in the 15000 miles I rode so far and IRONICALLY it was the first day that I picked up the bike, bought it in Pigeon Forge on vacation. Road it home to SC. I was on I26 in NC, left lane, humming along at a fast clip and bam, traffic stopped dead ahead, cars in front of me slamming on their brakes, I was already comfortable I would avoid hitting anyone, prepared to ride up the left side divider. However, first thing I did was hit the brakes hard out of reaction and DAM, the freaking bike tires let out one little chrip and darn bike stopped on a dime.
 
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Yes they are amazing. I just applied the front brake but they are linked. A police dept in Va. demonstrated that you can stop even faster by braking just up to antilock kick in. I was surprised.
The thing that stands out to me about that accident is the perfect conditions. When I go for a ride, I review in my mind what kind of day it is, weather, road conditions, is there sand in the road at driveways and so on. I considered this a perfect day and route. The only car I encountered that day turned in front of me.
 
I rode my first Harley in 1960. I was hooked right then. I have been riding them ever since. I do not have any tattoos, I ride year round, I have never had an accident. I wear a helmet. I will ride as long as I can.

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As far as helmets go, I don't see how you non-wearers tolerate being peened in the face by hard shells, rocks, and other shrapnel. Can't count the number of times I've been riding along and *pow* something strikes my face shield that sounds like a BB ricocheting. Those are the concerning ones that might have caused a big old problem if cool dogging along wearing only a pair of shades with much weaker polycarb lenses.
 
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