More road rage idiots

[ZeeOSix]

Originally Posted By: AZjeff
You've convicted the car driver it seems and the biker shares no blame.


Go read what I've posted in this thread. I never said the biker was justified and said he shouldn't have kicked at the car. But it's completely obvious that the guy in the car tired to totally take out the guy on the bike and could have easily killed him. That right there is reckless endangerment at the least. Kicking at a car in not going to cause any harm to the car driver, only cause some minor property damage. So based on that I'd say the biker is 20% at fault and the car driver 80% for this resulting accident.

 

[aquariuscsm]

The motorcyclist should be hung out to dry for blatantly leaving the scene of a multi vehicle wreck that he caused. He ran for a reason. The innocent don't flee from a crime scene.

 

[grampi]

I hate these partial videos. They don't show what took place before, which obviously this incident started before what we see on the video. The cager probably did something to start the incident, then the biker does something stupid in retaliation. Both should go to jail...

 

[grampi]

Originally Posted By: 02SE
Originally Posted By: aquariuscsm
Any motorcyclist that lane splits deserves to kill themselves,period. Nothing wrong with a little gene pool cleansing. LANES ARE THERE FOR A REASON. I ride a motorcycle and there's no way in [censored] I'd ever lane split.



Lane-splitting or lane-sharing, is legal in California.


Legal or not, it's dangerous...

 

[AZjeff]

Originally Posted By: grampi
The cager probably did something to start the incident, then the biker does something stupid in retaliation. Both should go to jail...


Are you a cager? Your statement is probably correct, the car probably did something to start it, possibly unintentionally, and the criminal biker decided to retaliate instead of letting it go. And yes both should be charged with everything appropriate.

All the biker had to do was show his displeasure in a non-destructive way and separate from the car. Incident over.

 

[grampi]

Originally Posted By: AZjeff
Originally Posted By: grampi
The cager probably did something to start the incident, then the biker does something stupid in retaliation. Both should go to jail...


Are you a cager? Your statement is probably correct, the car probably did something to start it, possibly unintentionally, and the criminal biker decided to retaliate instead of letting it go. And yes both should be charged with everything appropriate.

All the biker had to do was show his displeasure in a non-destructive way and separate from the car. Incident over.


When I'm driving the car I'm a cager, when I riding the bike I'm a biker...what's your confusion?

 

[AZjeff]

No confusion, cager is a derogatory word meant as an insult.

 

[grampi]

Originally Posted By: AZjeff
No confusion, cager is a derogatory word meant as an insult.


I just called myself a cager, it can't be THAT derogatory...

 

[Mr Nice]

Vehicles need to be more cautious around motorcycles.

This entire crash shouldn't have happened if both people acted like normal adults.

 

[Alfred_B]

There are three lessons:
- Don't be an as shat on the road especially if you are on a motorbike
- Don't swerve wildly at speed if you don't have performance tires/suspension
- Modern cars are designed to be safe.

 

[grampi]

Originally Posted By: Mr Nice
Vehicles need to be more cautious around motorcycles.



They need to be, but they aren't, and it's only going to get worse. With automakers cramming more and more distracting electronics in vehicles these days, and America's love affair with their cell phones, drivers are only going to become more oblivious to what's going on around them on the roads...which is why I'm selling my motorcycle...

 

[turtlevette]

Its going to boil down to who has the best lawyer. I could make a case that steering into the bike was appropriate as a self defense tactic. Is the car driver supposed to wait until the biker pulls a gun and shoots them?

Bikers always assume the car did something to "deserve" it. Which leads to the street justice mentality.

 

[SatinSilver]

Trust me guys I would have been mad if the biker kicked the side of the Matrix. But I know I wouldn't have swerved like that. Plus the biker was prob cut off by the car earlier. Not that is any excuse for what he did.

Upon arriving home I would inspect the door for damage. If there was a scuff present go ahead and use some Megs Scratch X on the mark. Sure beats a totaled car.

Keep the thread going guys. I like these long, mega threads.

 

[Astro14]

Originally Posted By: grampi
Originally Posted By: AZjeff
No confusion, cager is a derogatory word meant as an insult.


I just called myself a cager, it can't be THAT derogatory...


When one group has a term to describe another group, and that term is meant to be demeaning and/or derogatory, then we should probably avoid its use...

The term "cager" is meant to convey contempt for the people who drive cars...lots of other words ending in "er" that are meant to be derogatory...this one just happens to be germane to this discussion...but spend some time on the motorcycle forums, you will generally see "cager" used to convey derision...

If I chose to describe myself with a word that one group uses to demean another, let's say, "cracker", well, that usage doesn't make it an acceptable word for public discourse...as not everyone would see the word as inoffensive.

 

[Al]

Originally Posted By: turtlevette
Its going to boil down to who has the best lawyer. I could make a case that steering into the bike was appropriate as a self defense tactic. Is the car driver supposed to wait until the biker pulls a gun and shoots them?
You could make that argument but you will lose..its not rational. Besides the injured parties are going to have better lawyers than yours bc theyt are going after insurance money.

You can't use your firearm on someone if you are not under immediate lifethreatening danger..that holds vice-versa

 

[grampi]

Originally Posted By: Astro14
Originally Posted By: grampi
Originally Posted By: AZjeff
No confusion, cager is a derogatory word meant as an insult.


I just called myself a cager, it can't be THAT derogatory...


When one group has a term to describe another group, and that term is meant to be demeaning and/or derogatory, then we should probably avoid its use...

The term "cager" is meant to convey contempt for the people who drive cars...lots of other words ending in "er" that are meant to be derogatory...this one just happens to be germane to this discussion...but spend some time on the motorcycle forums, you will generally see "cager" used to convey derision...

If I chose to describe myself with a word that one group uses to demean another, let's say, "cracker", well, that usage doesn't make it an acceptable word for public discourse...as not everyone would see the word as inoffensive.


How about "rider" and "driver?" Is that derogatory?

 

[02SE]

Originally Posted By: grampi
Originally Posted By: 02SE
Originally Posted By: aquariuscsm
Any motorcyclist that lane splits deserves to kill themselves,period. Nothing wrong with a little gene pool cleansing. LANES ARE THERE FOR A REASON. I ride a motorcycle and there's no way in [censored] I'd ever lane split.



Lane-splitting or lane-sharing, is legal in California.


Legal or not, it's dangerous...


Not according to studies that were conducted, prior to making it legal.

 

[02SE]

Originally Posted By: Al
Originally Posted By: turtlevette
Its going to boil down to who has the best lawyer. I could make a case that steering into the bike was appropriate as a self defense tactic. Is the car driver supposed to wait until the biker pulls a gun and shoots them?
You could make that argument but you will lose..its not rational. Besides the injured parties are going to have better lawyers than yours bc theyt are going after insurance money.

You can't use your firearm on someone if you are not under immediate lifethreatening danger..that holds vice-versa


The only lethal force I saw, was the driver swerving to kill the Motorcyclist/biker/rider. At that point, I think it could be argued that the Motorcyclist/biker/rider would be justified in using lethal force, (a gun, if he had one) against lethal-force. Of course the move backfired for the driver/cager/lunatic/attempted murderer/whatever, and he instead caused a multi-vehicle crash.

 

[Astro14]

Grampi - I don't find any of them derogatory, but some people do, and they're meant to be derogatory, so I'm merely suggesting that we avoid the terms...

 

[ZeeOSix]

Originally Posted By: aquariuscsm
The motorcyclist should be hung out to dry for blatantly leaving the scene of a multi vehicle wreck that he caused. He ran for a reason. The innocent don't flee from a crime scene.


I didn't see the motorcyclist reach into the car and grab the steering wheel. The dude behind the steering wheel caused the accident because he couldn't control his car after the crazy swerve maneuver towards the bike.