Moly In Yer Motor Oil.......

[Artem]

I too am against using oil additives. For all you know, you could be adding something that would cause chemicals to clash and result in a oil performing WORSE then had you just left it alone, add to that the fact that you'll leave that juice splashing around in the engine for thousands of miles

Over the counter additives are there to simply make the manufacturer more money. They do little - none.

 

[SuperDave456]

I've been in both boats.

The one where any other additives other than "Just Oil" will not have the desired effect and may hurt more than help.

Then the one where I do a little research online, UOA's and personal anticdotes, and figure what the heck.

I've run all kinds of stuff through my Ford Taurus, the 3.0 Vulcan SOHC pushrod engine could probably survive an OCI on vasoline. Although at 171,000 miles it seems to be running fine.

My Goal is to get to 300,000 miles. Although it might take me another decade. Not sure if my wife will let me keep it that long.
All I know is that the MOS2 did quiet down start up noise and long uphill grades. It doesn't make the typewriter / sewingmachine noises that it once did.
It is only now getting into triple digit temps here, but I will keep you guys informed as to how it hods up over the summer.

 

[mechtech2]

Lubro moly is not new.
Mercedes sold it and used it decades ago.
I remember using a version in my 1970 VW.

 

[WMSmotorhead]

You guys are reading me wrong. I was asking when there's many an oil with Moly in the formula, why the add-in is still so hip and cool. Many of the people adding it could have just bought oil that already has some in there. I still say from the one guy's photo show, it's a solid... (cue the lynch mob).

Many of the "GOTTA HAVE LUBRO MOLY" guys are using motor oils that don't contain that additive natively. That was my topic. Please quote me where I said that Lubro Moly is bad... I havn't. I am asking about it already in your oil vs. DIY dump ins...

MMO and Kreen are really popular around here indeed.. a scummy motor that needs a bath can get help from this stuff.. or one of the other many products with added cleaning properties. JB's makes an ok one that I'd do a summer bath with... or even good old Gunk Motor flush to get the skank out of a crankcase.

A clean motor doesn't need solvent stuff... so unless it's sick, don't send it to the doctor.

 

[Falcon_LS]

If memory serves me right, in a VOA of Liqui-Moly's MoS2 Oil Additive, there was something like 4,092 PPM of Moly. That is way more than what you will find in a standard off the shelf oil.

Using it in different applications, I have found it not only smoothens out the operation of the engine, but also has a minor affect on oil consumption in a positive way. Those are the reasons I add it to my oil at every oil change, although I'm tempted to go with Cera Tec later on. Here's a video some may find interesting:



Originally Posted By: Liqui-Moly
The anti-friction lubricant MoS2 forms a high load-bearing film of lubricant on all friction and sliding surfaces. This product reduces friction and guarantees energy-conserving performance for the unit. This yields the following advantages: significant savings in fuel and oil consumption, scientifically proved reduction in wear, fewer break-downs, emergency lubrication properties. Tested on catalytic converters and turbochargers.


I don't know about it 'considerably reducing fuel consumption', but it certainly does have a slight affect.

I've always used Liqui-Moly lubricants in my Ford 4.6L, although I'm looking to try Mobil 1 0W-40 at the next oil change without any additives, just for the sake of experimentation.

 

[ARCOgraphite]

My Yaris would run smoother and 500rpm lower so I could lug it and get good gas mileage when using formula shell SM mid/low saps oil which was moly loaded. It seems to have disappeared in many API-SN formulations. Why, IDK - ring land cleanliness not w/in spec or just ???? I'm waiting with bait breath for VOA of the new SN majors. The Mobil super that shows weak on traditional adds performed most excellently in our '09 subaru.

 

[speedyswede]

People(myself included) like Molybdenum because its the only additive that is easily detected by the "butt dino".

 

[HTSS_TR]

MOS2 and other additives such as MMO and Kreen are popular here partially because of low cost and it works in some engines/applications. If MOS2 is at $20 or more a can then not many would try it, but only $4.xx at Napa is cheap enough to try. AFAIK nobody had bad experience with it using as oil additive with the correct dosage.

 

[ckmarsh]

I started using moly in 1985 never had any kind of trouble with it but after finding this forum i have read that some people say it just gets traped in the oil filter so i dont know what to belive anymore.

 

[ahoier]

Can't really compare Kreen/MMO/Seafoam to other Oil Additives, particularly Moly....I don't really know about Kreen, but MMO and Seafoam for sure, are intended to be used in brief 3k mile "cleaning cyles" in an attempt to either "clean up" something that is (or could be......) depending on whether or not you know for sure, or have looked I guess..lol

Where as Moly appears to be the new "band wagon" additive for the "long haul" for a complete OCI.

 

[steve20]

Originally Posted By: WMSmotorhead
Originally Posted By: chevrofreak
What's the maximum allowed?


The 5w-30 spec says it's a max 226ppm. Shell is the only oil that contains that high of a value. Most are 150ppm or so.



Since when does moly have a "max" value?

 

[chevrofreak]

Originally Posted By: steve20
Originally Posted By: WMSmotorhead
Originally Posted By: chevrofreak
What's the maximum allowed?


The 5w-30 spec says it's a max 226ppm. Shell is the only oil that contains that high of a value. Most are 150ppm or so.



Since when does moly have a "max" value?


It doesn't, he is just confused.

 

[chevrofreak]

Originally Posted By: WMSmotorhead
It's interesting, because the dump-in aftermarket stuff is a grey SOLID.. it's like the new slick50 or something. I'd prefer it to REMAIN suspended in oil rather than sleeping on the pan floor.


Try some for yourself. I've used it, and it stayed suspended. I mixed some in a quart of oil, in a clear bottle, and left it on my shelf for several months. It didn't come out of suspension.

 

[ottotheclown]

That is not very nice!!

Thanks for the warning!!

 

[demarpaint]

Originally Posted By: chevrofreak
Originally Posted By: WMSmotorhead
It's interesting, because the dump-in aftermarket stuff is a grey SOLID.. it's like the new slick50 or something. I'd prefer it to REMAIN suspended in oil rather than sleeping on the pan floor.


Try some for yourself. I've used it, and it stayed suspended. I mixed some in a quart of oil, in a clear bottle, and left it on my shelf for several months. It didn't come out of suspension.


+1 No problems to report, if it falls out of suspension it is very slight, and as soon as you fire up the engine it goes right back into suspension.

 

[salesrep]

Some Moly facts.
Molybdenum Disulfide (MoS2) is solid
Soluble Moly compounds are
Molybdenum Dithiophosophates (MODTP)
Molbdenum Dithicarbamates( MoDTC)
1st recorded use for mos2 as a lubricant was in the 1600's, 1st commercial use started in the 1920's

Soluble molys in engine oils DO NOT come out of suspension nor can be filtered out and have a coefficient of friction of .04 to .08
Research done in the late 1980's by Chevron-Texaco found that an engine's coefficient of friction can be reduced by 80% by using organo-Moly soluble compounds.

Organo Moly compounds function as
frictional modifiers
anti-wear agents
anti-oxidants

Molybdenum Dialkyl dithiocarbamate enhances Zinc Dithiophosphates anti wear and friction reducing capabilities.

 

[boxcartommie22]

try torco's mpz magnetic friction reductio it has 7360ppm compared to only 4650ppm of moly in lubro moly.

 

[artificialist]

Originally Posted By: ckmarsh
I started using moly in 1985 never had any kind of trouble with it but after finding this forum i have read that some people say it just gets traped in the oil filter so i dont know what to belive anymore.

Calculate how much moly you have added to the oil.

at the next oil change, do a UOA. If moly kept getting stuck in the oil filter, the amount of moly on the UOA would be significantly lower.

 

[FiremarshalRob]

I don't add anything to my oil whatsoever.

I sleep well at night.

RL

 

[dailydriver]

Originally Posted By: boxcartommie22
try torco's mpz magnetic friction reductio it has 7360ppm compared to only 4650ppm of moly in lubro moly.


Also, they (the Torco products) are of the soluble moly type.

Their SEP SR1 additive has a MUCH REDUCED ZDDP content vs. their MPZ MFR additive, while keeping the soluble moly levels just as high (IF one needs reduced ZDDP levels, or worries about such things.

).

But yes, both are much more $$$ than the LM MOS2 additive.