i wrote mobil once and had the same somewhat arrogant response from their reps...i like their gas and motor oil anyways, i think a company that big with so many resources knows a lot about oil and gasoline...you know how shells talks about their clean gas, i think mobil has done that for quite awhile as well
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Well, I didn't mean to start any problems here. I just felt Matt's response kind of rubbed me the wrong way and thought I would share the info with you guys. Well, Off to work.
I wouldn't ever expect to get a good answer from any companies technical or marketing department. I've spoken with a GM engineer and Mobil 1 shows outstanding wear control for all engine testing done by GM, which includes the high powered Corvette. To GM, M1 is the Gold Standard.
Oil analysis is not the only way to determine engine wear. As far as the Valvoline claim, you are allowed 90 microns of wear for the Seq IVA test and Mobil 1 scored much lower than that but Valvoline probably even lower. So it becomes an issue of "20 ppm vs 10ppm = 50% less wear!!" It's not that simple though. However, being all oils tradeoff some properties for another, why doesn't Valvoline have an oil that meets GM 4178M or HTO-06? They have no oil you can use in a Corvette.
Another very knowledgable member on here, TomNJ uses and likes Mobil 1. He knows a lot more than we do about oil. So I wouldn't go as far to say M1 is all hype/marketing.
Oil analysis is not the only way to determine engine wear. As far as the Valvoline claim, you are allowed 90 microns of wear for the Seq IVA test and Mobil 1 scored much lower than that but Valvoline probably even lower. So it becomes an issue of "20 ppm vs 10ppm = 50% less wear!!" It's not that simple though. However, being all oils tradeoff some properties for another, why doesn't Valvoline have an oil that meets GM 4178M or HTO-06? They have no oil you can use in a Corvette.
Another very knowledgable member on here, TomNJ uses and likes Mobil 1. He knows a lot more than we do about oil. So I wouldn't go as far to say M1 is all hype/marketing.
Originally Posted By: buster
TomNJ....He knows a lot more than we do about oil.
Well that's not true, there are a lot or very knowledgeable people on this forum. One man's opinion is just that.
TomNJ
TomNJ....He knows a lot more than we do about oil.
Well that's not true, there are a lot or very knowledgeable people on this forum. One man's opinion is just that.
TomNJ
Originally Posted By: OVERK1LL
I'm quite certain that some people make a mess in their pants with excitement every time a Mobil 1 bash-fest gets under way. Quite tragic really.
That statement made me openly laugh, something we as people need to do more often than we do to live a happy life.
Mobil has some oils that are top notch within the best, some not.
As DO ALL manufactures have oils of certain weights or specs that are top notch performers and some that are just another ok oil. Oils have become so much better over the years, it is hard to make a wrong choice.....
I'm quite certain that some people make a mess in their pants with excitement every time a Mobil 1 bash-fest gets under way. Quite tragic really.
That statement made me openly laugh, something we as people need to do more often than we do to live a happy life.
Mobil has some oils that are top notch within the best, some not.
As DO ALL manufactures have oils of certain weights or specs that are top notch performers and some that are just another ok oil. Oils have become so much better over the years, it is hard to make a wrong choice.....
PP & M1 EP are pretty equal in my book. See my comparative UOAs at the below link.
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We have found that brand doesn't really make much of a difference in how an engine wears -- it's mostly how you drive it, and how much metal it tends to make, that determines how long you can run the oil.
http://www.bobistheoilguy.com/forums/ubb...872#Post1178872
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We have found that brand doesn't really make much of a difference in how an engine wears -- it's mostly how you drive it, and how much metal it tends to make, that determines how long you can run the oil.
http://www.bobistheoilguy.com/forums/ubb...872#Post1178872
Originally Posted By: GROUCHO MARX
Now that you've registered, life, as you knew it, is over.
Ditto ,it happens.
Now that you've registered, life, as you knew it, is over.
Ditto ,it happens.
If is wasn't for M1 and Amsoil this web site wouldn't be as exciting as it presently is.
I think you finally broke the code. The top dogs from both companies got together and said lets mess with those guys on BITOG.
I received this email today.
Frank,
Any oil company can state that they have run any test comparing their product to a competitor's product and that their product, in this Valvoline , is better however this testing and results must be substantiated by the other competitor and other US governing bodies. ExxonMobil is not aware of a single test that shows that Valvoline motor oil exhibits 4 times better wear than Mobil1 5W30 motor oil. All such claims must be substantiated and ExxonMobil has requested Valvoline to provide the substantiating data to support this claim immediately.
Many of these websites are mostly gossip with incorrect and inaccurate information that very well could be flamed by competitor's. If you have an oil analysis that you wish to go over, do not hesitate to contact Mobil at 1-800-662-4525 opton1 and we would be happy to review.
Auto manufacturer's such as Bentley, Corvette and other GM's, Viper and many other Chrysler Dodge, Porsche, Mercedes, Ford GT Supercar and Ford Shelby GT 500 and may others test dozens and dozens of motor oils in real world testing, field testing and wide open throttle along with all API related testing to show maximum performance and protection and to utilize the very best engine motor oils in their crankcase for the finest vehicles in the world. These manufacturer's are not concerned about cost or contracts but what motor oil will provide the best overall protection and performance for their engines. Mobil1 is repeatedly chosen as the factory fill motor oil in these high performance engines. When you have an oil analysis that you have performed on your mechanically sound vehicle, contact us so we may review,
Thanks.
-MJ
Frank,
Any oil company can state that they have run any test comparing their product to a competitor's product and that their product, in this Valvoline , is better however this testing and results must be substantiated by the other competitor and other US governing bodies. ExxonMobil is not aware of a single test that shows that Valvoline motor oil exhibits 4 times better wear than Mobil1 5W30 motor oil. All such claims must be substantiated and ExxonMobil has requested Valvoline to provide the substantiating data to support this claim immediately.
Many of these websites are mostly gossip with incorrect and inaccurate information that very well could be flamed by competitor's. If you have an oil analysis that you wish to go over, do not hesitate to contact Mobil at 1-800-662-4525 opton1 and we would be happy to review.
Auto manufacturer's such as Bentley, Corvette and other GM's, Viper and many other Chrysler Dodge, Porsche, Mercedes, Ford GT Supercar and Ford Shelby GT 500 and may others test dozens and dozens of motor oils in real world testing, field testing and wide open throttle along with all API related testing to show maximum performance and protection and to utilize the very best engine motor oils in their crankcase for the finest vehicles in the world. These manufacturer's are not concerned about cost or contracts but what motor oil will provide the best overall protection and performance for their engines. Mobil1 is repeatedly chosen as the factory fill motor oil in these high performance engines. When you have an oil analysis that you have performed on your mechanically sound vehicle, contact us so we may review,
Thanks.
-MJ
Well, old MJ should just log-in on this site and he could review all the UOA's he wants to. His explanations would be interesting.
Originally Posted By: AcuraTech
Why would ExxonMobil give a hoot about what's the best synthetic oil?
ExxonMobil measures profits in the BILLIONS every year.
What do they care if the oil is the best, when they bring in hundred dollar bills by the truckload. They could make the WORST synthetic oil and still make billions.
The business world is full of companies that tried to get away with cutting quality and retaining market share. They either learn to correct or they fail.
Does anyone remember when Schlitz was the #1 brewer in America? They thought that they could cut costs by altering the formula and no one would notice. Everyone noticed and they fell off the hill nearly into oblivion.
Why would ExxonMobil give a hoot about what's the best synthetic oil?
ExxonMobil measures profits in the BILLIONS every year.
What do they care if the oil is the best, when they bring in hundred dollar bills by the truckload. They could make the WORST synthetic oil and still make billions.
The business world is full of companies that tried to get away with cutting quality and retaining market share. They either learn to correct or they fail.
Does anyone remember when Schlitz was the #1 brewer in America? They thought that they could cut costs by altering the formula and no one would notice. Everyone noticed and they fell off the hill nearly into oblivion.
Good point Big Jim, now the biggest brewery in America sold out for 52 billion.
Frank D
Frank D
The part that is especially hilarious to me is the use of the term "gossip"-when he provides ZERO real information to back it up, & BITOG has so much info that it would take months, maybe even YEARS to read & understand all of it. M1 has a great reputation, but is increasingly overpriced compared to other brands, such as TDT/Delvac 1 in the vicinity of $6.20/qt. now-hard to justify that kind of jack for tiny incremental improvements (if any at all)-PP is a much better deal, when's the last time M1 was ever available on sale/cheap???
Originally Posted By: bullwinkle
when's the last time M1 was ever available on sale/cheap???
I don't know what you consider cheap, but I just bought 5 qts of M1 0W-20 and an M1 filter for $29.99 (and could have gotten a $5 rebate as well if I wanted to spend 30 minutes driving to another store and back)
when's the last time M1 was ever available on sale/cheap???
I don't know what you consider cheap, but I just bought 5 qts of M1 0W-20 and an M1 filter for $29.99 (and could have gotten a $5 rebate as well if I wanted to spend 30 minutes driving to another store and back)
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ACEA A1/B1, A5/B5
API SM, SL,SJ,EC,CF,CD
ILSAC GF-4
Mobil 1 5W-30 has the following builder approvals:
General Motors Service Fill GM4718M
General Motors Factory Fill GM 6094M
Ford WSS- M2C929-A
Chrysler MS-6395
Honda RWC
Honda / Acura HTO-06
Mobil is essentially saying that the above is all that matters.
ACEA A1/B1, A5/B5
API SM, SL,SJ,EC,CF,CD
ILSAC GF-4
Mobil 1 5W-30 has the following builder approvals:
General Motors Service Fill GM4718M
General Motors Factory Fill GM 6094M
Ford WSS- M2C929-A
Chrysler MS-6395
Honda RWC
Honda / Acura HTO-06
Mobil is essentially saying that the above is all that matters.
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Originally Posted By: bullwinkle
The part that is especially hilarious to me is the use of the term "gossip"-when he provides ZERO real information to back it up, & BITOG has so much info that it would take months, maybe even YEARS to read & understand all of it. M1 has a great reputation, but is increasingly overpriced compared to other brands, such as TDT/Delvac 1 in the vicinity of $6.20/qt. now-hard to justify that kind of jack for tiny incremental improvements (if any at all)-PP is a much better deal, when's the last time M1 was ever available on sale/cheap???
Bullwinkle, you cannot compare Delvac 1 to PP. That's not a fair comparison for PP. Delvac 1 is designed to compete with Rotella T Synthetic, PP is a PASSENGER car oil, Delvac 1 is an HDEO, like Rotella. Back-to-back in an engine that NEEDS an HDEO (and it's UOA's prove it), I would be quite sure that Delvac 1 would show much better wear results, TBN retention, and the like.
PP seems to show very good results (especially for it's price) against M1's passenger car oils.
The part that is especially hilarious to me is the use of the term "gossip"-when he provides ZERO real information to back it up, & BITOG has so much info that it would take months, maybe even YEARS to read & understand all of it. M1 has a great reputation, but is increasingly overpriced compared to other brands, such as TDT/Delvac 1 in the vicinity of $6.20/qt. now-hard to justify that kind of jack for tiny incremental improvements (if any at all)-PP is a much better deal, when's the last time M1 was ever available on sale/cheap???
Bullwinkle, you cannot compare Delvac 1 to PP. That's not a fair comparison for PP. Delvac 1 is designed to compete with Rotella T Synthetic, PP is a PASSENGER car oil, Delvac 1 is an HDEO, like Rotella. Back-to-back in an engine that NEEDS an HDEO (and it's UOA's prove it), I would be quite sure that Delvac 1 would show much better wear results, TBN retention, and the like.
PP seems to show very good results (especially for it's price) against M1's passenger car oils.
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Probably should keep in mind that I heard that the new Z06 when shipped within US is mandated to use M1 5w-30. But when shipped to New Zealand, they mandate 0W-40 - and that mandate is a big sticker on the body of the car next to the driver seat as you open the door.
The 0w-40 is a much heavier weight oil than m1 5w-30, reduces MPG and HP, and has 25% more ZDDP in it.
the LS7 engine is absolutely no different anywhere its shipped
it has to do with the emissions systems and MPG restrictions
Any explanations on those differences?
The 0w-40 is a much heavier weight oil than m1 5w-30, reduces MPG and HP, and has 25% more ZDDP in it.
the LS7 engine is absolutely no different anywhere its shipped
it has to do with the emissions systems and MPG restrictions
Any explanations on those differences?
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