Mobil Super 5000 5W-20 SN with Particle Test

[skyship]

Originally Posted By: Clevy
Originally Posted By: Garak
Originally Posted By: Clevy
From what I recall cummins wouldn't allow moly in any oil formulated for their engines. So in order to have a cummins approval no moly.


Hmmm. That may be depending upon which spec. Do you recall which spec? I'm fairly certain that Mobil Delvac 1300 Super 10w-30 has moly in it (I believe it was a VOA here) yet it does show Cummins CES 20081.


No I don't remember. It was also years ago that I saw it. My body guy buys a new Cummins every 2 years. I was talking to him about MOS2 so he emailed Cummins. They apparently allow Molly fortified oils now but at one point they were concerned but the market has proven that Moly adds are harmless so they no longer warn against it.
Sunk ships post is old news.


There's nothing wrong with Moly that is included in most modern engine oils add packs, although most of them don't contain very much. It's the original old spec high Moly and Moly snake oils that caused the trouble. I think Redline are about the only real high Moly oil I've seen recently.
The Cummins problem was a classic example of what happens when you don't use an oil approved of by the manufacturer and ignore the warning in the handbook that says don't use oil additives.

 

[shell_user]

I am going to belive Clevy, OVERKILL, GARAK and people on this board like MOLAKULE, CATERHAM, before I ever believe a babbling fool like sunkship. Clevy and Garak and others DO KNOW what they are talking about and not just spouting off.


adam

 

[skyship]

Originally Posted By: shell_user
I am going to belive Clevy, OVERKILL, GARAK and people on this board like MOLAKULE, CATERHAM, before I ever believe a babbling fool like sunkship. Clevy and Garak and others DO KNOW what they are talking about and not just spouting off.
adam


The folks that write the engine maintenance manuals know a lot more than the snake oil users fan club. I'm a great believer in the old engineers motto, "If in doubt read the instructions", but many folks in doubt just read the advertising.

 

[shell_user]

YES I have a owners manual and I dont use oil/fuel additives. No need for oil/fuel additives or least not for me. Carry on and tell someone that gives a hoot. good bye

 

[skyship]

Nothing wrong with using fuel additives if you have to use bad fuel and there are quite a few with full approvals for use cleaning out gummed injectors, fuel systems or even reducing carbon deposits.
The fuel quality standards in the EU are quite high, so if you stick to well known fuel station groups there is no need for fuel additives, BUT the situation in the US is more interesting and might well justify a fuel additive if you have a touchy turbo diesel in particular.

 

[Garak]

Originally Posted By: skyship
Just found the Cummins Moly restriction in this summary:


Interesting post, but there certainly are oils with moly that have API approval, and I'm rather certain Mobil Delvac HDEO has moly at least in some grades. It is kind of vague, though, and how old is it? The statement, "From years working with engine test programs to approve engine oil formulations for API licensing, we can tell you that NO engine oil containing Molybdenum additives has been certified by the full range of engine tests necessary to gain API approval," is certainly not correct currently. PYB has among the highest moly levels in PCMOs, and it's SN/GF-5, and very many other SN/GF-5 oils have moly in them at some level. Check the PQIA site for various VOAs of the SN/GF-5 and SM/GF-4 major labels.

 

[Clevy]

Cummins restricted moly because moly would eat copper,which some smart guy managed to get around,so now it's a non issue.
Cummins lifted their moly ban right around the same time Amsoil started using it,not that I think one had anything to do with the other.

 

[Mystic]

So when it comes to moly supposed to not be used in Cummins engine Skyship is behind the times and reading outdated material on the subject? This would not surprise me because it often seems like he is reading from a book in his posts.

Hopefully Skyship will find some more recent material.

 

[BigJohn]

I have been running this in my Ram 5.7 since purchase and have the opinion that this oil ROCKS for 5k OCI's.

Now the I know the TBN....Yeah, it is probably and easily a 7-8k oil.


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