I used Mobil 1 afe last time and after about 4,000 Miles you do hear an audible ticking from the engine I'm sure it's a non issue but I dont like it none the less. My olm will pretty much be at zero at around 7200 miles. That being said what options do I have that would be better. I think I'm just going to start changing it every 5,000 anyway so I can have a regular routine. What would you guys do. For warranty reasons I do not want to go longer than the olm. Let me know what you guys would do thanks everyone
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I'm assuming that you're writing about the Dart and that you used the 0W-20 AFE.
Lots of options in this grade including PP, QSUD, M1 EP, Edge and a couple from Valvoline as well as a host of others not as widely available including various store brands.
I'd give QSUD a try next up and see what this does to reduce the noise.
Lots of options in this grade including PP, QSUD, M1 EP, Edge and a couple from Valvoline as well as a host of others not as widely available including various store brands.
I'd give QSUD a try next up and see what this does to reduce the noise.
A Mobil 1 related post talking about noise , let me go get a beer this will be entertaining.
I'm not a fan of Fuel Economy oils because they are "light" for a given viscosity. It's also been my experience that engine noise is somewhat higher with Mobil 1 domestic (US) oils. You might want to give Pennzoil Platinum (or Ultra Platinum) a try. I think you'll be pleased with the results.
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A Mobil 1 related post talking about noise , let me go get a beer this will be entertaining.
Can you hum a couple of bars. We'll sing along.
A Mobil 1 related post talking about noise , let me go get a beer this will be entertaining.
Can you hum a couple of bars. We'll sing along.
Dart Rallye Pak and you went AFE... I'd be looking for the most robust spec oil I could find. Look at op temp viscosity numbers. The higher the better
Originally Posted By: turnbowm
I'm not a fan of Fuel Economy oils because they are "light" for a given viscosity. It's also been my experience that engine noise is somewhat higher with Mobil 1 domestic (US) oils. You might want to give Pennzoil Platinum (or Ultra Platinum) a try. I think you'll be pleased with the results.
Viscosity @100C:
Mobil1 AFE 0w-20 = 8.7 CST
Mobil1 5w-20 = 8.9
Pennzoil Platinum 0w-20 = 8.3
Pennzoil Platinum 5w-20= 8.2
So the 0w-20s really aren't always "lighter" than their non-fuel economy siblings, and all of these are much nearer the top of the 20 weight viscosity range than the bottom. And if lower viscosity was the reason for increased engine noise, any Mobil1 product should be quieter than any Pennzoil Platinum equivalent.
The noise debate is never ending. Some engines may have a preference, some owners may be hyper-sensitive to such things or comparing sounds from a fresh oil to one at the end it its usefulness, etc. I've never noticed much of a difference. But there's no reason why the OP shouldn't try something different, like QSUD.
I'm not a fan of Fuel Economy oils because they are "light" for a given viscosity. It's also been my experience that engine noise is somewhat higher with Mobil 1 domestic (US) oils. You might want to give Pennzoil Platinum (or Ultra Platinum) a try. I think you'll be pleased with the results.
Viscosity @100C:
Mobil1 AFE 0w-20 = 8.7 CST
Mobil1 5w-20 = 8.9
Pennzoil Platinum 0w-20 = 8.3
Pennzoil Platinum 5w-20= 8.2
So the 0w-20s really aren't always "lighter" than their non-fuel economy siblings, and all of these are much nearer the top of the 20 weight viscosity range than the bottom. And if lower viscosity was the reason for increased engine noise, any Mobil1 product should be quieter than any Pennzoil Platinum equivalent.
The noise debate is never ending. Some engines may have a preference, some owners may be hyper-sensitive to such things or comparing sounds from a fresh oil to one at the end it its usefulness, etc. I've never noticed much of a difference. But there's no reason why the OP shouldn't try something different, like QSUD.
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Used M1 3 decades - now and PP and VSP and still half of them M1 ... I never hear this. Had a hearing test last Thursday...
If you hear it - buy something else - but another round of this ... ?
I'm with TT on stepping up a vis though - these same companies are back and forth between 20's and 30's like they are lost in the CAFE shuffle ...
If you hear it - buy something else - but another round of this ... ?
I'm with TT on stepping up a vis though - these same companies are back and forth between 20's and 30's like they are lost in the CAFE shuffle ...
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As to synthetics,I prefer Castrol Edge. Give that a go.
Originally Posted By: Danh
Originally Posted By: turnbowm
I'm not a fan of Fuel Economy oils because they are "light" for a given viscosity. It's also been my experience that engine noise is somewhat higher with Mobil 1 domestic (US) oils. You might want to give Pennzoil Platinum (or Ultra Platinum) a try. I think you'll be pleased with the results.
Viscosity @100C:
Mobil1 AFE 0w-20 = 8.7 CST
Mobil1 5w-20 = 8.9
Pennzoil Platinum 0w-20 = 8.3
Pennzoil Platinum 5w-20= 8.2
So the 0w-20s really aren't always "lighter" than their non-fuel economy siblings, and all of these are much nearer the top of the 20 weight viscosity range than the bottom. And if lower viscosity was the reason for increased engine noise, any Mobil1 product should be quieter than any Pennzoil Platinum equivalent.
The noise debate is never ending. Some engines may have a preference, some owners may be hyper-sensitive to such things or comparing sounds from a fresh oil to one at the end it its usefulness, etc. I've never noticed much of a difference. But there's no reason why the OP shouldn't try something different, like QSUD.
As you indicated, the viscosity @ 100C of the M1 5W-20 and M1 AFE 0W-20 are almost identical. At 40C, however, the M1 viscosity is 11% higher (49.8 vs 44.8). At 0C, I'm sure the difference would be even more significant.
Good point about viscosity not being the primary determinant of engine noise. Possibly other factors are at play such as oil film strength... 85,893psi for M1 5W-20 vs 79,612psi for M1 AFE 0W-20. From personal experience, my 2.4L DI engine is noticeably quieter at cold start with 5W-30 versus 5W-20. No difference when fully warmed up.
As you said, the noise debate is never ending...
Originally Posted By: turnbowm
I'm not a fan of Fuel Economy oils because they are "light" for a given viscosity. It's also been my experience that engine noise is somewhat higher with Mobil 1 domestic (US) oils. You might want to give Pennzoil Platinum (or Ultra Platinum) a try. I think you'll be pleased with the results.
Viscosity @100C:
Mobil1 AFE 0w-20 = 8.7 CST
Mobil1 5w-20 = 8.9
Pennzoil Platinum 0w-20 = 8.3
Pennzoil Platinum 5w-20= 8.2
So the 0w-20s really aren't always "lighter" than their non-fuel economy siblings, and all of these are much nearer the top of the 20 weight viscosity range than the bottom. And if lower viscosity was the reason for increased engine noise, any Mobil1 product should be quieter than any Pennzoil Platinum equivalent.
The noise debate is never ending. Some engines may have a preference, some owners may be hyper-sensitive to such things or comparing sounds from a fresh oil to one at the end it its usefulness, etc. I've never noticed much of a difference. But there's no reason why the OP shouldn't try something different, like QSUD.
As you indicated, the viscosity @ 100C of the M1 5W-20 and M1 AFE 0W-20 are almost identical. At 40C, however, the M1 viscosity is 11% higher (49.8 vs 44.8). At 0C, I'm sure the difference would be even more significant.
Good point about viscosity not being the primary determinant of engine noise. Possibly other factors are at play such as oil film strength... 85,893psi for M1 5W-20 vs 79,612psi for M1 AFE 0W-20. From personal experience, my 2.4L DI engine is noticeably quieter at cold start with 5W-30 versus 5W-20. No difference when fully warmed up.
As you said, the noise debate is never ending...
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I don't think I've ever had a noise difference in any of my cars when using different brand oils. I would suggest try another brand like Pennzoil or Valvoline see if the noise changes.
I don't think I've ever had a noise difference in any of my cars when using different brand oils. I would suggest try another brand like Pennzoil or Valvoline see if the noise changes.
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Is the car short-tripped? Perhaps you are experiencing fuel dilution and it becomes significant enough to cause noise at the 4K mark or so? I ran the same oil for the last two years in our '06 Charger and never notice a change in sound over any of the OCI's. However each vehicle is different.
Try another oil, maybe Castrol or Pennzoil if the perceived increase in noise bothers you.
Try another oil, maybe Castrol or Pennzoil if the perceived increase in noise bothers you.
Originally Posted By: BrocLuno
Dart Rallye Pak and you went AFE... I'd be looking for the most robust spec oil I could find. Look at op temp viscosity numbers. The higher the better
Are you kidding? The most robust spec oil you could find? You know this isn't some solid lifter 1960s tech Hemi and its a 1.4l Fiat motor in an economy car. People need to stop equating turbo with the high performance and the need for the best oil possible. Turbocharging is in all levels and trim of vehicle lineups now most to bump up efficiency for fleet MPG and don't need boutique oils more most applications.
I suppose this car might be equipped with the naturally aspirated 2.0 or 2.4. Even more reason NOT to spec the most robust oil I could find and just stick to whatever flavor he likes that meets the requirements.
Dart Rallye Pak and you went AFE... I'd be looking for the most robust spec oil I could find. Look at op temp viscosity numbers. The higher the better
Are you kidding? The most robust spec oil you could find? You know this isn't some solid lifter 1960s tech Hemi and its a 1.4l Fiat motor in an economy car. People need to stop equating turbo with the high performance and the need for the best oil possible. Turbocharging is in all levels and trim of vehicle lineups now most to bump up efficiency for fleet MPG and don't need boutique oils more most applications.
I suppose this car might be equipped with the naturally aspirated 2.0 or 2.4. Even more reason NOT to spec the most robust oil I could find and just stick to whatever flavor he likes that meets the requirements.
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Originally Posted By: jayg
Originally Posted By: BrocLuno
Dart Rallye Pak and you went AFE... I'd be looking for the most robust spec oil I could find. Look at op temp viscosity numbers. The higher the better
Are you kidding? The most robust spec oil you could find? You know this isn't some solid lifter 1960s tech Hemi and its a 1.4l Fiat motor in an economy car. People need to stop equating turbo with the high performance and the need for the best oil possible. Turbocharging is in all levels and trim of vehicle lineups now most to bump up efficiency for fleet MPG and don't need boutique oils more most applications.
I suppose this car might be equipped with the naturally aspirated 2.0 or 2.4. Even more reason NOT to spec the most robust oil I could find and just stick to whatever flavor he likes that meets the requirements.
Yes, the op's car is the naturally aspirated 2.0L version IIRC.
Originally Posted By: BrocLuno
Dart Rallye Pak and you went AFE... I'd be looking for the most robust spec oil I could find. Look at op temp viscosity numbers. The higher the better
Are you kidding? The most robust spec oil you could find? You know this isn't some solid lifter 1960s tech Hemi and its a 1.4l Fiat motor in an economy car. People need to stop equating turbo with the high performance and the need for the best oil possible. Turbocharging is in all levels and trim of vehicle lineups now most to bump up efficiency for fleet MPG and don't need boutique oils more most applications.
I suppose this car might be equipped with the naturally aspirated 2.0 or 2.4. Even more reason NOT to spec the most robust oil I could find and just stick to whatever flavor he likes that meets the requirements.
Yes, the op's car is the naturally aspirated 2.0L version IIRC.
Originally Posted By: OVERKILL
Yes, the op's car is the naturally aspirated 2.0L version IIRC.
Essentially it is the new Neon. No reason not to grab whatever the cheapest name brand conventional that meets the specs and run it. If you feel you must run a synthetic (you dont) please don't overpay.
My opinion on all these threads: The perceived noise from M1 AFE is doing no harm. At all.
Yes, the op's car is the naturally aspirated 2.0L version IIRC.
Essentially it is the new Neon. No reason not to grab whatever the cheapest name brand conventional that meets the specs and run it. If you feel you must run a synthetic (you dont) please don't overpay.
My opinion on all these threads: The perceived noise from M1 AFE is doing no harm. At all.
Originally Posted By: jayg
Originally Posted By: BrocLuno
Dart Rallye Pak and you went AFE... I'd be looking for the most robust spec oil I could find. Look at op temp viscosity numbers. The higher the better
Are you kidding? The most robust spec oil you could find? You know this isn't some solid lifter 1960s tech Hemi and its a 1.4l Fiat motor in an economy car. People need to stop equating turbo with the high performance and the need for the best oil possible. Turbocharging is in all levels and trim of vehicle lineups now most to bump up efficiency for fleet MPG and don't need boutique oils more most applications.
I suppose this car might be equipped with the naturally aspirated 2.0 or 2.4. Even more reason NOT to spec the most robust oil I could find and just stick to whatever flavor he likes that meets the requirements.
Not sure what difference engine size and manufacturer have to do with it.
But surely a small engine that is turbocharged to allow it to perform like a much larger NA engine is in a higher state of tune?
A 1.0 three cylinder engine producing 125bhp with performance as good as a 1.6 NA an sometimes slightly better than a 1.6NA is going to be harder on the oil than the 1.6NA.
The new fashion for European manufacturers is to downsize engines and then use some form of forced induction. That way you can get fuel economy and emissions down without having to worry about owning a modern Euro 5/6 diesel.
There is talk of some manufacturers abandoning diesel altogether for non commercial vehicles.
Interestingly the 1.0 Ecoboost specs 5w20 oil and I have not heard of any engine failures yet. Though to be honest Ford engines have been pretty robust for years. Unlike BMW and Mercedes who seem to struggle to make camchains last as long as the average Ford Cambelt (many are 150k mile intervals) a make 116i just snapped its camchains at under 60k miles, the vehicle was only 6 years old!
Originally Posted By: BrocLuno
Dart Rallye Pak and you went AFE... I'd be looking for the most robust spec oil I could find. Look at op temp viscosity numbers. The higher the better
Are you kidding? The most robust spec oil you could find? You know this isn't some solid lifter 1960s tech Hemi and its a 1.4l Fiat motor in an economy car. People need to stop equating turbo with the high performance and the need for the best oil possible. Turbocharging is in all levels and trim of vehicle lineups now most to bump up efficiency for fleet MPG and don't need boutique oils more most applications.
I suppose this car might be equipped with the naturally aspirated 2.0 or 2.4. Even more reason NOT to spec the most robust oil I could find and just stick to whatever flavor he likes that meets the requirements.
Not sure what difference engine size and manufacturer have to do with it.
But surely a small engine that is turbocharged to allow it to perform like a much larger NA engine is in a higher state of tune?
A 1.0 three cylinder engine producing 125bhp with performance as good as a 1.6 NA an sometimes slightly better than a 1.6NA is going to be harder on the oil than the 1.6NA.
The new fashion for European manufacturers is to downsize engines and then use some form of forced induction. That way you can get fuel economy and emissions down without having to worry about owning a modern Euro 5/6 diesel.
There is talk of some manufacturers abandoning diesel altogether for non commercial vehicles.
Interestingly the 1.0 Ecoboost specs 5w20 oil and I have not heard of any engine failures yet. Though to be honest Ford engines have been pretty robust for years. Unlike BMW and Mercedes who seem to struggle to make camchains last as long as the average Ford Cambelt (many are 150k mile intervals) a make 116i just snapped its camchains at under 60k miles, the vehicle was only 6 years old!
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Originally Posted By: jayg
Originally Posted By: OVERKILL
Yes, the op's car is the naturally aspirated 2.0L version IIRC.
Essentially it is the new Neon. No reason not to grab whatever the cheapest name brand conventional that meets the specs and run it. If you feel you must run a synthetic (you dont) please don't overpay.
My opinion on all these threads: The perceived noise from M1 AFE is doing no harm. At all.
We share the same sentiment
Originally Posted By: OVERKILL
Yes, the op's car is the naturally aspirated 2.0L version IIRC.
Essentially it is the new Neon. No reason not to grab whatever the cheapest name brand conventional that meets the specs and run it. If you feel you must run a synthetic (you dont) please don't overpay.
My opinion on all these threads: The perceived noise from M1 AFE is doing no harm. At all.
We share the same sentiment
Originally Posted By: ram_man
I'm sure the noise doesn't hurt anything I just like quiet I'm quite ocd
would a conventional be ok at 5-7500 intervals?
Absolutely. But if you already have synthetic that you bought, keep running it and dont worry about any perceived M1 noise. Its protecting you just fine.
I'm sure the noise doesn't hurt anything I just like quiet I'm quite ocd
Absolutely. But if you already have synthetic that you bought, keep running it and dont worry about any perceived M1 noise. Its protecting you just fine.
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