Mobil one extended performance 5w-30
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Mibil 1 EP is an outstanding oil that is over priced IMO. I've used it 100% in my last 4 vehicles (Volvo P1800, 86 Saab turbo, Jeep GC, Subaru Forester). All sold with 127,000 to 194,000 miles with any oil issues. I now use it in my Mazda CX7 Turbo. I wish the EP it was priced alittle more competively ($24.97 at Walmarts for a 5 qt. Jug.). If the cost is to much the next in line for me is Pennzoil Platium at $19.97 Walmart 5qt jug or M1 std @ $22.97.
I'm switching the 2005 CR-V over to once a year changes on M1 5w20 EP on New Year's. My question: This car sees a lot of shorter trips but also sees long highway runs as well. I'd say 65% to 35%, respectively. Should I keep it to 10k, or if I go out to about 12k in a year, leave it in?
Originally Posted By: Bill in Utah
The test where you can see sludge and varnish in the engines that ran Mobil 1 EP for 116k miles?
That's not varnish or sludge. I have nho idea where you came up with that one!
The test where you can see sludge and varnish in the engines that ran Mobil 1 EP for 116k miles?
That's not varnish or sludge. I have nho idea where you came up with that one!
Originally Posted By: MatchboxCar
Originally Posted By: Bill in Utah
The test where you can see sludge and varnish in the engines that ran Mobil 1 EP for 116k miles?
That's not varnish or sludge. I have nho idea where you came up with that one!
He's a M1 hater. And yes, he is wrong about the varnish/sludge. I don't see any.
Originally Posted By: Bill in Utah
The test where you can see sludge and varnish in the engines that ran Mobil 1 EP for 116k miles?
That's not varnish or sludge. I have nho idea where you came up with that one!
He's a M1 hater. And yes, he is wrong about the varnish/sludge. I don't see any.
Buster
you'll notice in that tear down, certain areas of the engine are not shown in any significant detail. Although the engine does look relatively "clean", we are supposed to somehow through the magic of marketing relate this to the wear performance of the oil.
you'll notice in that tear down, certain areas of the engine are not shown in any significant detail. Although the engine does look relatively "clean", we are supposed to somehow through the magic of marketing relate this to the wear performance of the oil.
Originally Posted By: buster
Originally Posted By: MatchboxCar
Originally Posted By: Bill in Utah
The test where you can see sludge and varnish in the engines that ran Mobil 1 EP for 116k miles?
That's not varnish or sludge. I have nho idea where you came up with that one!
He's a M1 hater. And yes, he is wrong about the varnish/sludge. I don't see any.
Wow. While I do not care for (and have used quite a bit of Mobil 1 and done UOAs to show its performance compared to other oils in the same engine) (SO IN ANOTHER WAY, PUT MY $$ WHERE MY MOUTH IS) I don't drink the Mobil 1 koolaid like others here.
If it performs, I call it. If it does not I'll state that. If the photos show something (WHICH THEY DO) lets call it.
If you can not see the varnish in the photos, I can not help that. If you want to call it Mobil 1 "discoloration" since Mobil 1 could NEVER cause any thing to go wrong then fine.
I'm stating that there is what most people would say (and have said when posting photos of their cyl heads on this board) is varnish.
So once we label someone as a "hater" then we will just ignore them and the facts.
Get a better monitor if you can not see the photos.
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I see no sludge or varnish. That is typical discoloration that will be on any used engine using any oil.
(He sees it, but its called discoloration)
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I watched the video again; the only parts spread out on the table that weren't varnished were the bearings. The pistons and rods, rod caps, main caps, head and camshafts, gear set and chain; all of those parts were heavily varnished.
He saw it..
You see perfect shiny clean normal metal.
Lets get a sticky for definitions.
Varnish: what any other oil but Mobil 1 deposits on metal parts.
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Mobil 1 EP also scores 3.9 on the industry standard TEOST test (part of GF-4, SM, Ford and Chrysler specs) to evaluate tendency to from sludge and deposits (36% less than regular M1 which scored a 5.3, and 676% less than Syntec's 26.4)
Oh goody, another quote for another "Test/spec".
If the search function on this board did not stink so much, I'd post the photo of the cyl head that was spotless at 200k plus of running Syntec (it did not even have the "discoloring") that is "normal" for all engines that use any oil.
So much for that spec. It it the end result that matters.
Plenty of people use Castrol (and not even syntec) and make their engines last. They don't care about this test or that.
And they use non syn in turbos and they make it down the road.
My biggest point about the "test" (sorry marketing) that Mobil did in Las Vegas was they ran something that should not have run 3 times as long and posted it to their not that well performing EP (as far as cleaning / keeping clean) and DID NOT SHOW ALL THE PARTS FROM BOTH THE EP AND CONVENTIONAL ENGINES.
Instead they took photos of the cars.
Took more photos of the outside of the cabs than engine parts.
Cool, I always love to see cabs.
Take care, Bill (I'll change my user ID to Mobil 1 hater soon)
Originally Posted By: MatchboxCar
Originally Posted By: Bill in Utah
The test where you can see sludge and varnish in the engines that ran Mobil 1 EP for 116k miles?
That's not varnish or sludge. I have nho idea where you came up with that one!
He's a M1 hater. And yes, he is wrong about the varnish/sludge. I don't see any.
Wow. While I do not care for (and have used quite a bit of Mobil 1 and done UOAs to show its performance compared to other oils in the same engine) (SO IN ANOTHER WAY, PUT MY $$ WHERE MY MOUTH IS) I don't drink the Mobil 1 koolaid like others here.
If it performs, I call it. If it does not I'll state that. If the photos show something (WHICH THEY DO) lets call it.
If you can not see the varnish in the photos, I can not help that. If you want to call it Mobil 1 "discoloration" since Mobil 1 could NEVER cause any thing to go wrong then fine.
I'm stating that there is what most people would say (and have said when posting photos of their cyl heads on this board) is varnish.
So once we label someone as a "hater" then we will just ignore them and the facts.
Get a better monitor if you can not see the photos.
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I see no sludge or varnish. That is typical discoloration that will be on any used engine using any oil.
(He sees it, but its called discoloration)
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I watched the video again; the only parts spread out on the table that weren't varnished were the bearings. The pistons and rods, rod caps, main caps, head and camshafts, gear set and chain; all of those parts were heavily varnished.
He saw it..
You see perfect shiny clean normal metal.
Lets get a sticky for definitions.
Varnish: what any other oil but Mobil 1 deposits on metal parts.
Quote:
Mobil 1 EP also scores 3.9 on the industry standard TEOST test (part of GF-4, SM, Ford and Chrysler specs) to evaluate tendency to from sludge and deposits (36% less than regular M1 which scored a 5.3, and 676% less than Syntec's 26.4)
Oh goody, another quote for another "Test/spec".
If the search function on this board did not stink so much, I'd post the photo of the cyl head that was spotless at 200k plus of running Syntec (it did not even have the "discoloring") that is "normal" for all engines that use any oil.
So much for that spec. It it the end result that matters.
Plenty of people use Castrol (and not even syntec) and make their engines last. They don't care about this test or that.
And they use non syn in turbos and they make it down the road.
My biggest point about the "test" (sorry marketing) that Mobil did in Las Vegas was they ran something that should not have run 3 times as long and posted it to their not that well performing EP (as far as cleaning / keeping clean) and DID NOT SHOW ALL THE PARTS FROM BOTH THE EP AND CONVENTIONAL ENGINES.
Instead they took photos of the cars.
Took more photos of the outside of the cabs than engine parts.
Cool, I always love to see cabs.
Take care, Bill (I'll change my user ID to Mobil 1 hater soon)
BTW: Here is a what I'd call a CLEAN motor..
No discoloring, NOTHING.
Not even the "discolor" that happens with any oil...
Bill
PS: BTW: motor above has 80k miles on it. VAD's photo.
No discoloring, NOTHING.
Not even the "discolor" that happens with any oil...
Bill
PS: BTW: motor above has 80k miles on it. VAD's photo.
And here are some M1 Photos from the video. Sure looks like varnish and sludge to me.
Who we going to believe, Exxon/Mobil or our lying eyes?
Who we going to believe, Exxon/Mobil or our lying eyes?
Originally Posted By: jbl
It sure looks like sludge in my eyes.
You'll notice that the comments regarding "the little bit of discoloration" by the Southwest Research Institute Engine Inspector are only directed to the main bearings. And that the video was edited just prior to this so that it "seems" as if his comments apply to the previous discussion of the cleanliness of the engine.
You'll notice that the independent expert from SRI does not offer any more commentary on the remainder of the engine. All else is provide by Mobil 1 employees.
It sure looks like sludge in my eyes.
You'll notice that the comments regarding "the little bit of discoloration" by the Southwest Research Institute Engine Inspector are only directed to the main bearings. And that the video was edited just prior to this so that it "seems" as if his comments apply to the previous discussion of the cleanliness of the engine.
You'll notice that the independent expert from SRI does not offer any more commentary on the remainder of the engine. All else is provide by Mobil 1 employees.
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