Mobil 1R Spectro Oil analysis results
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Let's face it. Most, if not all, are looking for an oily holy grail. We all know that most dino oils give as good wear for short term as any synthetic oil. Regardless, we still hope.
But MobilR will still show wear and the hope will shift again. Today Mobil1R, yesterday GC.
I must confess I have started to order twice from George the new grail. Twice as I was entering my card #, I stopped and said no, just wait awhile.
But I am sure shortly the number will go in and I will get the fun of trying this new oil. You just got to love it and I do! I just hope it really is a new oil and not the old 0W-30 with a heavy add package. Surely not, I hope.
But MobilR will still show wear and the hope will shift again. Today Mobil1R, yesterday GC.
I must confess I have started to order twice from George the new grail. Twice as I was entering my card #, I stopped and said no, just wait awhile.
But I am sure shortly the number will go in and I will get the fun of trying this new oil. You just got to love it and I do! I just hope it really is a new oil and not the old 0W-30 with a heavy add package. Surely not, I hope.
After looking at those VOA numbers, I think this oil is more a creation of ExxonMobil's marketing dept than of their chemists and engineers. I mean, let's face it, you don't market a real racing oil to the public, and if you do, you state that the oil is only suitable for racing. See Redline's disclaimers for their racing oils.quote:
Originally posted by buster:
I agree, but do you think that it won't be? I can't imagine it being like a normal M1 with a HT/HS of 3.2 or so.
I have no doubt that the SuperSyn "formula" came about through Mobil's involvement in racing and the oil used by Penske and other racing teams shares a lot of the same chemistry with the SuperSyn that's on the shelf at Wal-Mart, as well as with this new Mobil 1R. But do I actually believe this Mobil 1R is the very same oil used by all these race teams? No, I don't. JMO, mind you.
Cheez guys! Nobody really knows jack about this oil and some are already assuming it's nothing but regular 0W-30. Just as the GC stuff....some assume and have everyone believing it's ester based.
Why shouldn't a racing oil have calcium? Mola has stated that at very high levels, it acts as AW/FM or something to that effect.
Many people believed that black wedges flying over the nevada desert were UFOs.....to this day, they believe those things are UFOs. We now know they are nothing but highly sophisticated airplanes (F117). What can anyone possible coclude from the numbers posted here, when you have no idea what the base oil is composed of?
Give the M1R a break and let it show us what it's got!
EDIT: I should mention that I also DO NOT believe this is what race teams drain out of their machines. I believe this oil could either be a "detuned" version of the true racing oil or a modified version of the regular 0W-30.
[ January 29, 2004, 10:15 PM: Message edited by: Last_Z ]
Why shouldn't a racing oil have calcium? Mola has stated that at very high levels, it acts as AW/FM or something to that effect.
Many people believed that black wedges flying over the nevada desert were UFOs.....to this day, they believe those things are UFOs. We now know they are nothing but highly sophisticated airplanes (F117). What can anyone possible coclude from the numbers posted here, when you have no idea what the base oil is composed of?
Give the M1R a break and let it show us what it's got!
EDIT: I should mention that I also DO NOT believe this is what race teams drain out of their machines. I believe this oil could either be a "detuned" version of the true racing oil or a modified version of the regular 0W-30.
[ January 29, 2004, 10:15 PM: Message edited by: Last_Z ]
Only time will tell!!!
Thanks George for sharing your info and supporting BITOG.
On a less serious side
I think they are using AUTO-RX and LC together with alot of the SS PAO base and there you have it a BITOG designed racing oil!
On a serious note the oil is a well additivzed M1 using the necessary amount of the Supersyn(SS) that the regular M1 leaves me wanting.
Don't kid yourselves this oil should be able to go extended drains quite easily.
Testing will show that soon enough.
[ January 29, 2004, 11:15 PM: Message edited by: Terry ]
On a less serious side
On a serious note the oil is a well additivzed M1 using the necessary amount of the Supersyn(SS) that the regular M1 leaves me wanting.
Don't kid yourselves this oil should be able to go extended drains quite easily.
Testing will show that soon enough.
[ January 29, 2004, 11:15 PM: Message edited by: Terry ]
Terry,quote:
Originally posted by Terry:
On a less serious sideI think they are using AUTO-RX and LC together with alot of the SS PAO base and there you have it a BITOG designed racing oil!
Have you been sniffing FP like I have? Becareful man.....that stuff is rocket fuel!
Well, I'm going to let all of you beat up on me awhile and give old George a rest. I know it may be hard to believe I am standing up for one of my major competitors, but from time to time I just have read enough and feel it is necessary.
I respect each of you and your opinions but sometimes I wonder if you read what you write or listen to what you say. Let me give some examples.
Remember when Mobil 1 SS first came out. Oh how we talked about it not being as good as the old TS formula and Mobil was cutting corners. Well now we eat crow. The SS kicks the TS butt. Another brand: AMSOIL - We know how good this product is but if someone turns in a UOA or VOA that the phos or zinc is a little low, oh no!, they must be cutting corners and it is a lesser product. Another brand: CASTROL SYNTEC - We know what we have done to them concerning Group III, then here comes the almighty Castrol GC, and we have seen some good results with it, now we have changed our minds about the Group III some as we have seen some good UOA with it, now Castrol is back on the good side. No wait a minute, there was the picture of the Honda engine with some cooked oil under the valve cover and something mentioned about a recall in Australia. Now we are not sure. I keep hearing about the holy grail of oil. Guess what, there ain't one. There are a lot of great oils out there, pick one and use it.
I have no clue what kind of PAO'S are in this new Mobil 1R and neither do you. It seems like that everytime someone comes out with something new, it is chalked up to marketing BS. Well to me this is BS.
George is not only a site sponsor, I find him to be very knowledgable and honest and have absolutely no reason to doubt him when he says this is the oil Penske uses.
Now, that's my $.02 worth. I'm through. Good night.
[ January 30, 2004, 12:20 AM: Message edited by: Johnny ]
I respect each of you and your opinions but sometimes I wonder if you read what you write or listen to what you say. Let me give some examples.
Remember when Mobil 1 SS first came out. Oh how we talked about it not being as good as the old TS formula and Mobil was cutting corners. Well now we eat crow. The SS kicks the TS butt. Another brand: AMSOIL - We know how good this product is but if someone turns in a UOA or VOA that the phos or zinc is a little low, oh no!, they must be cutting corners and it is a lesser product. Another brand: CASTROL SYNTEC - We know what we have done to them concerning Group III, then here comes the almighty Castrol GC, and we have seen some good results with it, now we have changed our minds about the Group III some as we have seen some good UOA with it, now Castrol is back on the good side. No wait a minute, there was the picture of the Honda engine with some cooked oil under the valve cover and something mentioned about a recall in Australia. Now we are not sure. I keep hearing about the holy grail of oil. Guess what, there ain't one. There are a lot of great oils out there, pick one and use it.
I have no clue what kind of PAO'S are in this new Mobil 1R and neither do you. It seems like that everytime someone comes out with something new, it is chalked up to marketing BS. Well to me this is BS.
George is not only a site sponsor, I find him to be very knowledgable and honest and have absolutely no reason to doubt him when he says this is the oil Penske uses.
Now, that's my $.02 worth. I'm through. Good night.
[ January 30, 2004, 12:20 AM: Message edited by: Johnny ]
You've got me thinking about this one---what older formulations of M1 15w-50 were used in that car? Wouldn't they pre-date the "Advanced Formula" that's still sitting on the store shelves up in Patman's area of the Great White North? Wouldn't these older formulas leave a lot more crud behind than the latest SS version of M1? That crud was most likely put there by the old M1 formulas, not the new ones. I'm sure the M1R wouldn't build up that sort of crud in 200K either.
By the way, I was looking for those pics on this Honda in question, could someone post the link in this thread for me? Thanks!
This is an internet chat board and we are oil nerds. Speculating (right or wrong) is just what we do. Many that have trashed this oil already have said "I hope I'm wrong". We waited so long for this release... now to wait for OAs (sigh).
Like OilAnal, I'm on the fence with trying this too. I race a bit in the summer and do about 10k kms changes, so I should make for a good UOA test, but my car doesn't like M1 5w30 too much (currently testing 0w30), so I'm not sure I want to risk another pour oil change for an entire season. Price and Canadian availibility may make this decision for me thou.
Like OilAnal, I'm on the fence with trying this too. I race a bit in the summer and do about 10k kms changes, so I should make for a good UOA test, but my car doesn't like M1 5w30 too much (currently testing 0w30), so I'm not sure I want to risk another pour oil change for an entire season. Price and Canadian availibility may make this decision for me thou.
Can someone define "Race oil" for us? If part of the definition includes:
"...does not contain detergents/dispersants to prevent detonation in high compression race motors..."
then this so called 'race' oil is a sign of false advertising by the Mobil marketing team.
If we can agree on that, then I believe its safe to assume that other areas of this oil are lacking as well, hypothetically speaking of course, therfore, don't fall into the marketing hype of this.
Perhaps we should all come to a consensus on what defines a race oil...
"...does not contain detergents/dispersants to prevent detonation in high compression race motors..."
then this so called 'race' oil is a sign of false advertising by the Mobil marketing team.
Perhaps we should all come to a consensus on what defines a race oil...
Yes, me too. What ever happened to that anyway?quote:
Originally posted by Last_Z:
I'm still waiting to get that superduper analisys done on the GC stuff to find out what it is made of.
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If you read the Redline website, they dont say that DD's are absent from their racing, just in very low levels in order to reduce deposit buildup during racing.
Some of our modstock racing teams here in the Midwest use our prop. oils with only fully synthetic bases (ususally 0W20's) and a lot of FM's, with NO DD's, and only SL levels of anti-wear additives. And yes, rebuilds are done every three to five races.
I rode a number of motorcycles though Illinois winters in my younger days. The words to describe it are all blocked here...quote:
Originally posted by TSoA:
You got me there! I had my GPz 750 in the snow a few times, no studs though. So I guess I pass the "cool" test!
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