Mobil 1 Virgin Oil Analysis Compendium (Blackstone Labs)

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Awesome, thanks guys! I wonder if the 5w30 purposely has less boron than the rest, or if that one batch was just lower. If that's the case, quality control at Mobil 1 is a bit lax.
 

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Originally posted by Patman: Awesome, thanks guys! I wonder if the 5w30 purposely has less boron than the rest, or if that one batch was just lower. If that's the case, quality control at Mobil 1 is a bit lax.
Hi Patman, I think that it is virgin oil analysis of a bad batch. The only VOA of 5W-30 from Blackstone labs I could find was from "3 Mad Ponchos" oil life study. If you look at 1,000 mile results, Boron levels went way up (close to levels of other Mobil 1 grades). Notice that "3 Mad Ponchos" comment on the fact that TBN went up from 0 to 1,0000 mile measurements. [Cheers!] Jae
 

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Originally posted by quadrun1: Thanks, J! Do we have a VOA of the new M1 0W-20 anywhere?
Hi Jason, I couldn't find one, not that I looked for it very hard. That oil just doesn't get me all excited like 15W-50 does. [Smile] [Cheers!] Jae
 

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Originally posted by slickracer: Looks to me like the 0W30 is the one to use. I might use that in my new Honda Civic I'm getting tomorrow [Wink]
Hi, This is only the virgin oil analysis. The true test of an oil is used oil analysis. The 30 weight multi-grade Mobil 1 oil which shines best for UOA is 10W-30. When your car has broken in, you should switch your Civic to Mobil 1 0W-40 or Delvac 1 5W-40. [Cheers!] Jae
 

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Originally posted by tenderloin: When your car has broken in, you should switch your Civic to Mobil 1 0W-40 or Delvac 1 5W-40 [No no] Less MPG and HP with no better protection. Stick with a lighter weight oil for max results. [Smile]
Hi, Mobil 1 0W-40 and Delvac 1 5W-40 both have HT/HS viscosity greater than 3.5 mPa-s If Mobil just made their 30 weight oils just a little bit thicker, we would not be having this discussion. [Smile] [Cheers!] Jae
 
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If Mobil just made their 30 weight oils just a little bit thicker, we would not be having this discussion
I agree, although lighter oil may have it's benefits with flow rates. Chevy could have used 0w-40 or 15w-50 in there Vette, but they thought 5w-30 was fine. And if you believe Steve Bergen article, viscosity has nothing to do with wear. [I dont know] [ May 05, 2003, 07:33 PM: Message edited by: buster ]
 

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Originally posted by buster:
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If Mobil just made their 30 weight oils just a little bit thicker, we would not be having this discussion
I agree, although lighter oil may have it's benefits with flow rates. Chevy could have used 0w-40 or 15w-50 in there Vette, but they thought 5w-30 was fine. And if you believe Steve Bergen article, viscosity has nothing to do with wear. [I dont know]

Hi, I never trust manufacturer's recommendations for oil. Manufacturers often do not have consumer's best interest in mind. Also, the most demanding application may not be big V8 such as LS1. It may be the high rev'ing small four cylinder engines, especially if turbo-charged. [Cheers!] Jae
 
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When your car has broken in, you should switch your Civic to Mobil 1 0W-40 or Delvac 1 5W-40 [No no] Less MPG and HP with no better protection. Stick with a lighter weight oil for max results. [Smile]
 
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I have decided I will run the factory oil in my Civic EX for 4,000 miles, change to Pennzoil 5w20 for the next 4,000, then switch to Mobil 1 5w-30 with 7,000 mile intervals. Tha price of the 5 quart jugs is too good to pass up.
 
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Also, the most demanding application may not be big V8 such as LS1. It may be the high rev'ing small four cylinder engines, especially if turbo-charged.
I agree, I do think LS1's are easy on oil from what I see.
 

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Originally posted by buster: And if you believe Steve Bergen article, viscosity has nothing to do with wear. [I dont know]
Hi, I read the link you posted regarding information provided by Steve Bergen. It had no technical information. It seemed like a lot of "proof by intimidation". Also, he concentrated on low temperature cranking, but what about those of us who live in sunny California? In addition, he says that it is impossible to push oil out of journal bearings? Is this his guess or did he have some technical argument? Perhpas he doesn't see journal bearing damage during 1-day torture tests, but what about 100,000 miles of normal driving? He may have been toe-ing the company line. Brow-beating by research engineers backed up by zero technical information that just happens to present information beneficial to his corporate organ grinders do not have much credibility with discerning BITOG audience. [Big Grin] [Razz] [Cheers!] Jae
 
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It could be just that J. I'm not an engineer so I couldn't say either way. I'd be willing to bet he is not right though and is probably walking the fine corporate line. [Smile]
 

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Maybe you could add Delvac 1 to the spreadsheet? It's not really Mobil 1, but it is a very close relative!
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Originally posted by J: Hi, Thanks to Jason (quadrun1), we now have a complete collection of virgin oil analysis results from a single lab (namely Blackstone labs). Jae
[ September 03, 2003, 08:55 PM: Message edited by: CJH ]
 
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I'm send off a few samples to have checked. Mobil 1 has been doing some serious tweaking it appears. Increased ZDDP and Calcium out the whazoo.
 
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