Mobil 1 M1-104A oil filter rust for around 3 months ...

[odie]

of use from February to mid April . Seems like quite a bit of rust for those few months that were very wet and cold with plenty of road salt . The filter is vertical on the the SOUL ad has a full under cover so less grime , etc.. Would consider using it for mid April to late October but not for 6 months of winter weather . The filter was from Walmart and looked very similar to Premium Guard and was made in South Korea .

 

[Brian123]

of use from February to mid April

OK

Seems like quite a bit of rust for those few months that were very wet and cold with plenty of road salt .

It could be worse!

Would consider using it for mid April to late October but not for 6 months of winter weather .

Take a picture of the whole oil filter, I am seeing more silver as opposed to what you say is rust color.

 

[Hirev]

Years ago a guy on youtube posted on a filter off his truck that rusted enough in that area that it was leaking from a pin hole. One of the comments said he needs to put some extra oil on that area when oiling the gasket if you live in the salt belt.

 

[DannyM]

of use from February to mid April . Seems like quite a bit of rust for those few months that were very wet and cold with plenty of road salt . The filter is vertical on the the SOUL ad has a full under cover so less grime , etc.. Would consider using it for mid April to late October but not for 6 months of winter weather . The filter was from Walmart and looked very similar to Premium Guard and was made in South Korea .

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Somewhat common even on brand new U.S. filters.. Go through these Odie : https://bobistheoilguy.com/forums/s...]=1&c[nodes][0]=6&c[title_only]=1&o=relevance

 

[MrBubba]

This has occurred on even Microgard Select (PG) oil filters which is hyped up on here so much. It seems very obvious that the new Mobil 1 filters are made in the same factories.


It's not acceptable from any manufacturer lacking rust protection and this just goes to show that even the PG or filters made in the same factories as PG are not flawless. I will personally keep running Mobil 1 oil filters although WIX seems to be stepping up quality control especially on the new WIX XP's.

FRAM was one company that had plenty of rust issues in the USA.

 

[ZeeOSix]

The Asian made filters don't paint the crimp seam, so that's why it rusted. If the rust could migrate between the crimp seam and can, it could be possible with enough time. Could slap on a nice thick coat of black paint with a brush on the crimp seam on new ones before installing it if you're worried about rust in that area.

 

[MrBubba]

The Asian made filters don't paint the crimp seam, so that's why it rusted. If the rust could migrate between the crimp seam and can, it could be possible with enough time. Could slap on a nice thick coat of black paint with a brush on the crimp seam on new ones before installing it if you're worried about rust in that area.

Nobody should have to paint a $9-$11 oil filter which is the average price range for most PG made filters.

They are good oil filters don't get me wrong, but this is simply a lack of quality control in regards to the seams and it doesn't take a rocket scientist to know these filters will be used in the rust belt for potentially extended intervals considering they are advertised as extended interval filters and it is thin steel which could potentially lead to a leak.

And this is not a new occurrence with PG or filters made in PG factories so they should be well aware of this by now.

 

[Tricknologist]

My truck uses a cartridge style filter, don't have to worry about rust

 

[ZeeOSix]

Nobody should have to paint a $9-$11 oil filter which is the average price range for most PG made filters.

They are good oil filters don't get me wrong, but this is simply a lack of quality control in regards to the seams and it doesn't take a rocket scientist to know these filters will be used in the rust belt for potentially extended intervals considering they are advertised as extended interval filters and it is thin steel which could potentially lead to a leak.

And this is not a new occurrence with PG or filters made in PG factories so they should be well aware of this by now.

It's not "quality control" ... that relates to manufacturing per the specs and drawings. It's a design issue - ie, not painted per the drawing. If they didn't want rust to form there in winter salted road conditions then they should either paint it or make it from stainless steel. The thickness of the Asian built filters are typically thicker than most from other makers.

Sometimes you have to make a self imposed "upgrade" if you want something to work better. I'd have no problem slapping a nice thick layer of black Rust-Oleum on the crimp seam and make it better resistant to rusting on salted roads. But if someone doesn't like the possibility of rust, then buy filters with a painted seam, which can actually rust out there too if the paint job is not perfect from the factory.

 

[Hootbro]

The only time I have seen this be a issue is if run through multiple winters. Non issue if running normal oil change intervals and sticking to most recommendations that if mileage is not met, oil and filter is changed once a year minimum.

 

[CleanSump]

If the factory paints the rim it will not only increase production cost and price; the paint will get chipped/scratched in handling and installation and rust anyway. If they plate that's another added expense to pass on for something that has a limited use span anyway. If made in US, UK, or EU, then you have to deal with EPA regulations that make it very expensive to plate/deal with waste.
Just change the dang filter once a year.

 

[Sayjac]

Iirc, OP has had significant rust issues with several Fram filters with "sure grip" posted here. I'd imagine heavy road salt area related. For information purposes be interesting to know how many miles. I think 'similar' seen some PGI made filters. Perhaps like sealing gasket, a thin layer of oil on the crimp area on installation would be helpful. Since seems a consistent concern, some extra filter prep measures would be beneficial.

 

[Fair enough]

The steel is thicker there on the Asian filters and it is made to be changed at intervals. I am interested in why they paint the cans first and others paint it after. Not that two people out of a million would be.

 

[McRightclick]

This has occurred on even Microgard Select (PG) oil filters which is hyped up on here so much. It seems very obvious that the new Mobil 1 filters are made in the same factories.


It's not acceptable from any manufacturer lacking rust protection and this just goes to show that even the PG or filters made in the same factories as PG are not flawless. I will personally keep running Mobil 1 oil filters although WIX seems to be stepping up quality control especially on the new WIX XP's.

FRAM was one company that had plenty of rust issues in the USA.

Does PG have a South Korea factory? I thought they were only in China and Vietnam and the Mobil 1 filters were made by someone else.

 

[MrBubba]

Does PG have a South Korea factory? I thought they were only in China and Vietnam and the Mobil 1 filters were made by someone else.

PG operates in China, Vietnam and South Korea.

PG doesn't own the factories either which is why I said "or filters made in the same factories as PG"

Highline Warren is the Mobil 1 filter supplier but they use the same factories as PG to manufacture them.

PG however did acquire Champion Labs including the factory in Ohio so it is very possible PG will begin to manufacture at least some of it's own oil filters in the future.

 

[McRightclick]

PG operates in China, Vietnam and South Korea.

PG doesn't own the factories either which is why I said "or filters made in the same factories as PG"

Highline Warren is the Mobil 1 filter supplier but they use the same factories as PG to manufacture them.

PG however did acquire Champion Labs including the factory in Ohio so it is very possible PG will begin to manufacture at least some of it's own oil filters in the future.

Ah OK, makes sense. I wonder why the Mobil 1 filters use a different media from the PG stuff if they share factories.

 

[ZeeOSix]

Ah OK, makes sense. I wonder why the Mobil 1 filters use a different media from the PG stuff if they share factories.

Because Mobil gives the design specifications to Highline Warren who then have the oil filters manufactured. That's why the Mobil 1 filters are 99% @ 30u instead of 99% @ 20-25u like the PGI filters.

Highline Warren and Premium Guard Inc have no relationship with each other.

 

[odie]

The M1-104A with rust was used this year from February to mid April . Don't expect that much rust for that short period . Also has full size under panel , so likely less grime , salt , etc..

 

[ZeeOSix]

Regardless of how "well" the under cover works, there's obviously still salt mist getting up under the cover to the filter area.

 

[MrBubba]

The M1-104A with rust was used this year from February to mid April . Don't expect that much rust for that short period . Also has full size under panel , so likely less grime , salt , etc..

There is going to be people who will try to defend the rust because they love PG filters or filters made in PG factories.

I personally use Mobil 1 filters specifically the M1-101A, I think it is a good filter but the rust in inexcusable.

For such a short run of this filter being used and that much rust occurring on the seam it is very possible that a longer full winter run in the rust belt can result in a failure of the filter, which has been documented before as happening with a PG filter which is not acceptable, simply call it out like it is.

Many manufacturers have the seams painted so rust is not really an issue unless there happens to be a paint chip or rust that was forming prior to painting.