If all of Mobil-1 synthetics have some Grp3 oil in them why would Mobil/Exxon change the formula?Is it to lower cost to produce?Many customers will look at other oils.Joe
Mobil-1-Less quality?
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Although all of this is pure speculation, my tendency would be to say you answered your own question. It costs less to produce. Any other motives are secondary, big oil is always about profit.
Lou, ANY business is about profit. I don't know of a single business that can operate without profit.
Of course. And they owe it to the shareholders to do as such. You seem to have interpreted my remark as a jab at big oil but it wasn't.
I can: the military, american automakers, weapons manufacturers.........
I do have a strong feeling M1 isn't as good as it once was, despite what XOM will say.
Some things to consider about M1 over the last 3 years:
1. High Fe
2. Noise
3. oil consumption in some vehicles
These 3 things are by far the most common complaints people have about M1. They suggest to me that quality has fallen.
Some things to consider about M1 over the last 3 years:
1. High Fe
2. Noise
3. oil consumption in some vehicles
These 3 things are by far the most common complaints people have about M1. They suggest to me that quality has fallen.
Mobile 1 is one of the best oils on the market, period.....
Many customers already are looking at alternatives. I beleive ex-Mobil 1 to be a good oil. I won't even go so far as to say quality has decreased. But I will no longer pay a grp IV price for a grp III oil. Ignorance was bliss.
buster, in an effort to see if Group III oils are any better with NVH, I've switched my little Saturn from M1 to SuperTech 5w30 full synth.
I have a feeling you're correct on this point. When SM oils came out, they narrowed the playing field quite a bit in regards to synth-vs-dino performance & longer OCI's.
Paraphrasing here... I remember you talking about M1's SM formulation was sort of a "caught off guard" type of thing compared to the Group IV oils M1 was pumping out in the SL days. The SM M1 wasn't the same given the reduction of ZDDP being a mandated item.
SL M1=very good, SM M1=while still above average, not as deserving of a seat at the oil throne considering the competition's offerings.
Lou, I stand corrected. I thought it was. My apologies.
1."Some" Mobil 1 "may" contain "some" Group III. Mobil's refusal to state anything past PAO "based" and some indepth oil analysis by one member seems to suggest that some formulations may contain Group III.
2. Mobil had a claim GIII wasnt real synthetic up on their website at the same time the "suspect" oil was produced yet labeled the oil "full synthetic".
I dont know that I am convinced that if it contains GIII it is any worse than the GIV/GV Formula. It still has the higher iron signature. I have always suspected this is not caused by wear but the unique Mobil 1 Add Pkg.
2. Mobil had a claim GIII wasnt real synthetic up on their website at the same time the "suspect" oil was produced yet labeled the oil "full synthetic".
I dont know that I am convinced that if it contains GIII it is any worse than the GIV/GV Formula. It still has the higher iron signature. I have always suspected this is not caused by wear but the unique Mobil 1 Add Pkg.
We don't know if "ALL" do...
only two i think were tested??
not by along shot
Well that's a nice phrase. But over the years many of us wondered out loud why iron's have always been so high and oil analysis have never been better than other synthetics and in many cases dino oils. Its main advantqge has been that it has not sheared down over the long haul because of its Group IV. Now that that has been called into question it is just an other overpriced pretend synthetic (IMHO).
But yea, its one of the best dozen oils.
What is all this continued talk about Grplll oil at GrplV prices? Other than a few stores selling Pennzoil Platinum for a TAD less than Mobil 1, or the lower price of "house" brands, I see little if any difference between Mobil 1, Castrol, Valvoline etc.
Rather than a resident evil, could the explanation be that demand for PAO in other lubricants such as ATF has increased to the point that there is a supply shortage limiting the ability to produce enough for motor oil. This is driving up the price of PAO to the point that pure PAO motor oil would be priced out of the market.
i agree,, you do see more syn. ATF....
So much speculation and guessing here. Can we or do we have access to some hard data as to the base oils and %? Just because someone says the zinc level dropped means nothing if a different additive is introduced that is better. JMTs Ed
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There's also the Japanese EOM website, EOMs wishy washy replies to a half a dozen direct inquirires, and an ex-EOM employee's admission. How much more evidence do you need?
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