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What comes after ultra ?
Mobil 1 Hybrid 0w-20
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It will be something else 6 months from now …
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Can you explain what you mean here?
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Again, till you think you seen or heard it all.
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That pennzoil ultra platinum is a gas to liquid derived oil and it’s a better product over super tech advanced. Not saying the super tech advanced is bad it’s just not an equal of comparison to ultra platinum
Okay, so how does a gas to liquid derived oil work better?
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You're on this site long enough. Use the search to seek what you are after.
Thanks, pretty much what I thought.
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From what I have read, it has a more consistent molecular structure and has some advantages in reducing engine deposits.
So what have you found or what do you know that says it is not superior to Group III? I'm not saying it is, I'm just sharing what I've found and want to hear what you have found that indicates otherwise?
Many companies seem to like it, in spite of it's higher cost, as it seems to be present in some formulations beyond just Pennzoil and Shell.
This is an example of why I think modern hybrids are done entirely wrong. As described above, that's an abusive start to the engine almost every time. Cold start and immediately loaded.
I think the smarter approach is a serial hybrid with a tiny engine that runs continuously and cannot drive the wheels directly. The engine's output should be such that it charges the battery at low load but the battery drains at higher load.
A compact turbodiesel with aftertreatment designed for a fixed speed and variable load with a peak hp rating of 100hp or so would be perfect. No smoke, very low NOx, superior thermal efficiency vs gasoline.
While transient demands need more power (it takes ~150hp or 112kW to accelerate a 4000lb car to 75mph in 10 seconds), the steady state road load is much, much less. So a 100hp engine is perfectly capable of meeting average power needs when the batteries are available to manage the transient loads. IN the acceleration example above, the batteries only need to provide about 40kW for 10 seconds, a load of 400kW-seconds, or just over 13kw-hr. This is less than 25% capacity of the smallest Tesla Model 3 battery (60kw-hr).
A small 1L 3cyl turbodiesel at 100hp is perfectly sufficiently powerful for essentially any and every commuter car in a serial hybrid application. And because it's a turbodiesel that runs continuously at constant speed, it can be quite precisely tuned and optimized for minimal BSFC. No need for VVT, VTEC. Heck, a basic common rail system at 1600 bar or so would be quite sufficient with abundant and proven Bosch injectors.
You could make such an engine remarkably cheap and still perform very well in terms of efficiency and reliability.
Well for one thing GTL is also a Group III base, so in that respect it is no different. But yes it can have a higher VI and lower contaminates than some other Group III bases but it's not exclusive. I was just wondering why the other poster thought it resulted in a better finished product.
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This one is interesting.
It has "suitable for hybrids" on the box.
What exactly does "suitable" mean! Ha! Not "designed for". I wonder if this blend has traits/properties that benefit most hybrid vehicles or does it merely meet specs called out for in most hybrid manuals? This one could actually be a bit of marketing genius that grabs folks attention when perusing the Walmart oil aisle.
The price is certainly right at 25 bucks, and 6 quarts is perfect for my application in a 2010 Ford Escape Hybrid. I may go with this instead of the Mobil 1 Hybrid. There certainly has been quite a bit of recent discussion touting Halvoline PRO-DS.
It has "suitable for hybrids" on the box.
What exactly does "suitable" mean! Ha! Not "designed for". I wonder if this blend has traits/properties that benefit most hybrid vehicles or does it merely meet specs called out for in most hybrid manuals? This one could actually be a bit of marketing genius that grabs folks attention when perusing the Walmart oil aisle.
The price is certainly right at 25 bucks, and 6 quarts is perfect for my application in a 2010 Ford Escape Hybrid. I may go with this instead of the Mobil 1 Hybrid. There certainly has been quite a bit of recent discussion touting Halvoline PRO-DS.
Much like water is suitable for drinking.
PAOs in a sense are GTL because most of them will start with ethylene gas at some point in the process.
Sure, but it is the final properties that matter and in your case above it is about chemical structure which is completely different between the two.
Considering the API specifically excludes the method of production between Groups I, II and III it comes down to saturation level, viscosity index and contaminates.
I am watching for updates on JASO GLV 2 oils.
Consistently lower operating temperatures in hybrids are pointing towards narrow range, low viscosity oils with very high viscosity indexes.
Eneos is claiming that their 0W16 is already GLV 2 compliant.
Of course they also talk about "tighter tolerances"
Consistently lower operating temperatures in hybrids are pointing towards narrow range, low viscosity oils with very high viscosity indexes.
Eneos is claiming that their 0W16 is already GLV 2 compliant.
Of course they also talk about "tighter tolerances"
