@OVERKILL do you have the same opinion for gasoline catalysts from DI engines? because they are more sensitive with exhaust emissions by build structure i guess.
and how about high saps oils and DI engines? do you share the same thinking as edy?
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and how about high saps oils and DI engines? do you share the same thinking as edy?
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My main concern with full-SAPS oils would be LSPI, but that's now been removed from the picture with oils like M1 0W-40 being reformulated for API SP. I think the biggest contributor to IVD is engine design, just like it's the biggest contributor to fuel dilution. With the fitment of dual injection now becoming common, IVD's will become far less of an issue going forward anyway.
VW has a patent whitepaper that shows SAPS as a contributor to IVD, however, I believe it to be more of a component of NOACK in those oils that is a contributor than the ash make-up itself. But I'm just a dumb cop and not an manufacturer/engineer/tribologist or whatever expert label is required
.I agree with you that the overall design is the big part. Look at all the revisions in those VWs over the years and their declining propensity for IVD. I know the breather design alone in my EA888 Gen 1 has gone through 9 revisions since the original and is definately constructed differently inside (I cut them open out of curiousity). Just wish more would adopt dual injection as that could really help mitigate IVD.
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Here in Germany we have only the old Version firm mobil 1 fs 0W40. I Hope we will get the new Version Next Time.
i read another topic and found this:
" But wait, there's more! Diesel engine oils contain high levels of detergent and dispersant additives because diesel combustion creates a much dirtier environment. If you have a gasoline direct injection engine, pay special attention to this part. The high levels of calcium detergent additives in most diesel engine oils have been proven to cause detonation in direct-injection gasoline engines. This even has a special name: low-speed preignition (LSPI). The current API SP gasoline engine oil standard reduces the calcium levels in order to pass a low-speed preignition test. Also, those dispersant additives will hold fuel and moisture in the oil, so a diesel engine oil is not the ideal choice for an engine running on E85, unless you just like your oil to look like a chocolate milkshake …"
https://www.motortrend.com/how-to/diesel-oil-in-gasoline-engine/
you are wright that the current API SP covers that low-speed preignition.
but what does it mean diesel oils? since nowadays most oils are for diesel and gasoline engines as well. which ones is calling diesel ones ?
One with an API diesel license or ACEA Sequence.
ACEA C6 contains the same LSPI and TGDI chain wear tests as SP. Perhaps you'll see diesels with this rating or diesels will remain under C3 until they've been phased out entirely.
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The low/mid-SAPS oils have a much weaker detergent package than the full-SAPS oils. But, oils like M1 FS 0W-40, since they are still full-SAPS but also SP, swapped out a large portion of the calcium with magnesium detergents, which don't cause LSPI, to ensure the same TBN retention in service as the previous calcium-based additive package.
Heavy Duty diesel oils, like Delvac and Rotella, aren't API SP, Delvac 1 ESP 5W-40 for example, is API SN. Some of the HDEO's no longer carry a gasoline service rating at all.
I am interested to see what the new Edge 0W-30 A3/B4 looks like. I wonder if it has a modern add pack or not. It's still listed as API SL but I assume because it violates the P limits for a 30 that don't apply to xW-40.
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Updated MSDS looks same as old one.
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Low-SAPS oils are used in EU+some none EU countries since 2009. That is when low ULSG was introduced in Europe.
There are several factors, mostly economic.
1. Regulation was known since 1996. Industry was ready for ULSG. Hence, oils like VW504.00/507.00 that serve both diesel and gasoline engines. It was much easier to have one requirement for all fleet, especially if there are some or any benefits.
2. While not big factor like in DPF/SCR/GPF case, catalytic converters do benefit from these oils.
Castrol told me it’s a new formula and to look for the bottles with code P019F62-01. Whether they are lying or the change is negligible remains to be seen. Could still be similar base oils.
shell and castrol lying? nah
mobil 1 fs 0-40 SP is the perfect oil, the King ,hence the good reputation here in bitog. best detergents, antiwear , anti-LSPI , high HTHS, good noack , for street use, for some track. i hope its welcome here in Europe too, to try it once.
wasn't it since 2004? i know there were economical and tighter global emissions legislation, they are very crazy about it here in Europe .
anyway my manual says LL01 but BMW Europe says LL04.
i have listened to what BMW Europe said and always used LL04 until now, but i am thinking to try this mobil 1 0-40 SP "liquid in gold" when/if it comes Europe too. we had nox , lamda and some emission problems anyway and of course injectors and other well known engine problems ,using LL04 oil ,and i am sure that its engine design thing and not an oil thing, so why not use a LL01 oil and the best of them mobil 1 0-40 sp?
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ULSD was 2004, ULSG was 2009.shell and castrol lying? nah
mobil 1 fs 0-40 SP is the perfect oil, the King ,hence the good reputation here in bitog. best detergents, antiwear , anti-LSPI , high HTHS, good noack , for street use, for some track. i hope its welcome here in Europe too, to try it once.
wasn't it since 2004? i know there were economical and tighter global emissions legislation, they are very crazy about it here in Europe .
anyway my manual says LL01 but BMW Europe says LL04.
i have listened to what BMW Europe said and always used LL04 until now, but i am thinking to try this mobil 1 0-40 SP "liquid in gold" when/if it comes Europe too. we had nox , lamda and some emission problems anyway and of course injectors and other well known engine problems ,using LL04 oil ,and i am sure that its engine design thing and not an oil thing, so why not use a LL01 oil and the best of them mobil 1 0-40 sp?
i was just reading another topic where you suggest that Castrol is more suitable for DI engines than M1 . because of high saps you said. castrol has less ! ..and that castrol 0-30 is the best european oil in the market . why ?
lol now that i was to wait for mobil 1 0-40 you got me thinking again.
lol now that i was to wait for mobil 1 0-40 you got me thinking again.
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That's probably from before the formulation change to SP.
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Yes, SP will have less SA. Probably 1.10-1.15%.
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Castrol Edge 0W30 was ALWAYS the darling of Euro enthusiasts and that goes back almost 20yrs.
Still, even today, it has low KV100 but very good HTHS. Stays in grade, and produces very good UOA. It is light but heavy enough. It is very good oil for short trips that do not sacrifice HTHS, so at the same time very good oil for hard driving.
Simply, it does everything well. And it is smooth running. Really smooth running.
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