Mobil 1 ESP 0W30

[Jango]

Just API certified is all it says in the manual. Am I wrong that the ESP doesn't have that?

https://www.mobil.com/en/lubricants/for-personal-vehicles/our-products/products/mobil-1-esp-0w-30

It shows it meets or exceeds the API listed on this link.

 

[kschachn]

Just API certified is all it says in the manual. Am I wrong that the ESP doesn't have that?

Well that's a recommendation right?

But this is what ExxonMobil says. It isn't licensed, you are correct, but it's a bit irrelevant in a technical sense. The 5W-30 ESP is API licensed for what it's worth.

• Mobil 1™ ESP 0W-30 based on Mobil low-ash synthetic technology, meets or exceeds ACEA C3 industry standard to help protect exhaust gas aftertreatment
systems designed to limit engine emissions. It also meets or exceeds API SP engine test requirements to help address LSPI (Low Speed
Pre-Ignition), making it a preferred choice for downsized direct injection turbocharged gasoline engines.

 

[Urshurak776]

https://www.mobil.com/en/lubricants/for-personal-vehicles/our-products/products/mobil-1-esp-0w-30

It shows it meets or exceeds the API listed on this link.

Thanks! It is NOT listed on Walmarts page.
From Mobil 1's site:

This product meets or exceeds the requirements of:

ACEA C3

API SL

API SN Engine Test Requirements

API SN PLUS ENGINE TEST REQUIREMENTS

API SP ENGINE TEST REQUIREMENTS

 

[Urshurak776]

Well that's a recommendation right?

But this is what ExxonMobil says. It isn't licensed, you are correct, but it's a bit irrelevant in a technical sense. The 5W-30 ESP is API licensed for what it's worth.

Thanks. Someone pointed me to the Mobil 1 site. I was just looking on walmart.com at the page for the product. Not listed there.

Would, in your opinion, this be better than the AFE version for my wifes CX-5? 5,000 mile OCI. At that interval, my be wasting my money.

 

[kschachn]

Thanks! It is NOT listed on Walmarts page.
From Mobil 1's site:

This product meets or exceeds the requirements of:

ACEA C3

API SL

API SN Engine Test Requirements

API SN PLUS ENGINE TEST REQUIREMENTS

API SP ENGINE TEST REQUIREMENTS

Yes there are two sets of test requirements for the API license, a bench test and an engine test. It does not meet the bench test requirements because the phosphorus level is too high. But on the other hand most people would consider that a benefit.

ESP is a better product than AFE all day long, at least in my opinion. It has a higher HT/HS and higher ZDDP. But I only say that because I strain out gnats like this. The AFE will be perfectly fine for your vehicle.

 

[Urshurak776]

Yes there are two sets of test requirements for the API license, a bench test and an engine test. It does not meet the bench test requirements because the phosphorus level is too high. But on the other hand most people would consider that a benefit.

ESP is a better product than AFE all day long, at least in my opinion. It has a higher HT/HS and higher ZDDP. But I only say that because I strain out gnats like this. The AFE will be perfectly fine for your vehicle.

Thanks! I think the AFE is what I will go for. Readily available and at a good price.

 

[edyvw]

Thanks! I think the AFE is what I will go for. Readily available and at a good price.

ESP is actually far better product. AFE is known to shear down fast.
You usually have Mobil1 ESP on sale in AAP and AZ, $37+filter.
If you want better product in Wal Mart go Pennzoil Platinum Euro L 5W30. Any oil that has MB229.5X approval will be far better than just API SP ILSAC GF-6.

 

[buster]

The most noticeable difference between the Euro oils and some of the higher end SP oils is the HT/HS. I still believe the Mobil 1 EP, PUP, Castrol EDGE EP would meet/exceed the euro specs if tested especially for high temperature deposit and oxidation resistance.

The EP offerings from the majors are not just cookie cutter, run of the mill SP oils. They greatly exceed some of the most stringent testing such as the IIIH, by 20-30x.

You can see even by Pennzoil's own chart that PUP matches (in a very general sense) the higher performance that the Euro L does.

 

[edyvw]

The most noticeable difference between the Euro oils and some of the higher end SP oils is the HT/HS. I still believe the Mobil 1 EP, PUP, Castrol EDGE EP would meet/exceed the euro specs if tested especially for high temperature deposit and oxidation resistance.

The EP offerings from the majors are not just cookie cutter, run of the mill SP oils. They greatly exceed some of the most stringent testing such as the IIIH, by 20-30x.

You can see even by Pennzoil's own chart that PUP matches (in a very general sense) the higher performance that the Euro L does.

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They would not, hence the approvals of MB229.61, BMW LL01FE, etc., which HTHS-wise fall right into the ILSAC category. Yet, those are specific products, not any more expensive than ILSAC GF products.
That table is nothing but marketing.

 

[buster]

They would not, hence the approvals of MB229.61, BMW LL01FE, etc., which HTHS-wise fall right into the ILSAC category. Yet, those are specific products, not any more expensive than ILSAC GF products.
That table is nothing but marketing.

I disagree. Again I'm guessing, but I'd be willing to be that Mobil 1 0w20 EP/5w30 EP can match and exceed ESP 5w30 in many tests. There is nothing special about the Euro grades. The boosted AO levels of the EP products are quite exceptional.

The ESP oils if anything is less capable over extended drains compared to the SP EP counterparts. The main benefit is the more shear stable polymer in those grades, otherwise not much of a difference.

 

[edyvw]

I disagree. Again I'm guessing, but I'd be willing to be that Mobil 1 0w20 EP/5w30 EP can match and exceed ESP 5w30 in many tests. There is nothing special about the Euro grades. The boosted AO levels of the EP products are quite exceptional.

The ESP oils if anything is less capable over extended drains compared to the SP EP counterparts. The main benefit is the more shear stable polymer in those grades, otherwise not much of a difference.

You are.

 

[Plumb Bob]

I disagree. Again I'm guessing, but I'd be willing to be that Mobil 1 0w20 EP/5w30 EP can match and exceed ESP 5w30 in many tests. There is nothing special about the Euro grades. The boosted AO levels of the EP products are quite exceptional.

The ESP oils if anything is less capable over extended drains compared to the SP EP counterparts. The main benefit is the more shear stable polymer in those grades, otherwise not much of a difference.

The tests they passed are what make them special, the rest is just a guessing game as you clearly stated. Is it possible? Yes, but then again, you'd need to test which brings you back to the rear-side label.

 

[Truck-Guy]

Since you are tuned and pushing higher boost I would personally go with 5w-40.

 

[buster]

The tests they passed are what make them special, the rest is just a guessing game as you clearly stated. Is it possible? Yes, but then again, you'd need to test which brings you back to the rear-side label.

Right. I specifically said guessing.

If you took Mobil 1 0w20 ESP vs Mobil 1 EP 0w20 or Mobil 1 ESP 5w30 vs Mobil 1 5w30 EP, my GUESS is that EP will be more oxidation resistant, but ESP will have the shear stability advantage.

There is nothing magical in these euro oils that some want you to believe. The price is indicative of that.

 

[Plumb Bob]

There is nothing magical in these euro oils that some want you to believe.

We are in an agreement. Tests are not magical, but real-world data.
Beliefs have nothing to do with them.

 

[buster]

The ESP oils will undoubtedly be better than your average run-of-the-mill API SP synthetic oil. I'm just not convinced they're better than the Extended Performance oils by the major manufacturers that are designed for longer drains. But again, it's just my opinion as they have not been tested against those specifications.

Bottom line, if your car calls for a Euro spec, use an oil that meets it.

 

[sohccammer427]

5W-30 Both ESP and EP meet API SP
The 0w-xx ESP and 0w-xx EP meet API SP ENGINE TEST REQUIREMENTS

My guess are both formulations are near identical.

I'd love to see an oil analysis report of current ESP and EP formulations for a given weight.

 

[buster]

It would be interesting to know the crossover/differences between the top tier EP vs Euro oils.

The ESP oils used to use some POE so the solvency was better than M1 EP, at that time. Now Mobil shows <10 oxidation value in their entire lineup suggesting they either don't have that solvency anymore, or are going the "dry" route (preventing deposits) vs high solvency keep clean/clean. These are the things only they will ever know.

However if the articles and interviews are any indication, they could be using something even more novel or new that is not showing up on a VOA.

 

[ndarkside93]

Just API certified is all it says in the manual. Am I wrong that the ESP doesn't have that? I don't see anything on the bottle. Just European specs

Mobil 1 states that it meets or exceeds API SP on the product page. It is marketed for European vehicles that don’t require that, so they don’t market it on the bottle.

https://www.mobil.com/en/lubricants/for-personal-vehicles/our-products/products/mobil-1-esp-0w-30

 

[ndarkside93]

Maybe. While I understand your propensity for PAO, however M1 ESP 5W-30
still to exhibit a noticeable lower Noack loss compared to its 0W-30 brother.

The grade 3 base stock of the 5w30 will naturally have a lower noack. GTL oils are much cleaner but lighter base stocks and are known to have higher noack than traditional group 3