Mobil 1 better cleaner than AutoRx?

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Originally Posted By: sprintman
Again rubbish. Engines get dirty quickly with even full syn and 'normal' oci. My BMW has had M1 0W40/OEM filter changes every 8,000 kms instead of the Service Condition oci's of about 25,000 kms oci's. RX early on second clean phase has been transformed, heck even the VANOS rattle has gone (seal rejuvenation). Two seperate indy shop owners commented how quiet and smooth it is compared to others of it's age and mileage, I'll let them know when I have finished testing.


And?? Define dirty..
 
Originally Posted By: sprintman
How about carbonaceous particles? And our three engines and all the data from Rons forklift service business which RX transformed.


I saw plenty of carbon in my oil filter (pics are on here) just running M1 in my Expedition, which had never seen M1 before. It was doing some pretty decent cleaning.
 
Originally Posted By: Rick20
Well then, I must ask why most all the major oil manufactureres are suddenly now advertising how well their oil can dissolve harmful deposits.


Sure, that's an easy answer: Because they want people to buy their product whether those people need that product or not. Same reason additive manufacturers will you how well their products dissolve harmful deposits.
 
And nearly every oil company wanted RX to replace current additive in their oil but wouldn't pay the price of manufacture. RX has worldwide success and suddenly every oil complany has 'extra cleaning ability'. I've never been big on coincidence.
 
Originally Posted By: sprintman
And nearly every oil company wanted RX to replace current additive in their oil but wouldn't pay the price of manufacture. RX has worldwide success and suddenly every oil complany has 'extra cleaning ability'. I've never been big on coincidence.


Let me check for understanding:
The implication here is that the same companies that employ some of the best and brightest chemists, tribiologists and engineers in the world are copying ARX in their formulation or are at least trying to imitate it's qualities in a cheaper and therefore less effective fashion?
Or, is it that these companies - who also employ the very best PR and Advertising people money can buy are copying the claims of ARX?
Neither one of these makes a bit of sense to me, but I guess the latter seems a little less far fetched.

Perhaps you can clarify?

Also, where did you hear that these oil companies wanted to use ARX to replace their additives?
 
Originally Posted By: OVERK1LL
Originally Posted By: sprintman
How about carbonaceous particles? And our three engines and all the data from Rons forklift service business which RX transformed.


I saw plenty of carbon in my oil filter (pics are on here) just running M1 in my Expedition, which had never seen M1 before. It was doing some pretty decent cleaning.


Probably so. I wouldn't be surprised if you had increased consumption to go along with it. This can happen sometimes when you change oil chemistry. Disruptions of existing formations can occur. I never cut open the filter, but I went from zero consumption with D1 to relatively high consumption with RTS. I guess you could say that RTS cleaned up after Delvac 1 ..but I imagine in time that it would have its own formations.
 
I find it quite impressive that the fork trucks were found to have alot of carbon like deposits found in the filters. I would have thought that LPG burning much cleaner than gasoline would have helped prevent alot of this. Guess I was either wrong in my thinking or it must have been formed from oil degredation.
 
Originally Posted By: sprintman
Every Tom **** and Harry has tried to reverse engineer RX including the Chinese govt. this has been common knowledge here for years. Use the search function.

No need to search. That sounds perfectly reasonable.
 
Originally Posted By: sprintman
Every Tom **** and Harry has tried to reverse engineer RX including the Chinese govt. this has been common knowledge here for years. Use the search function.


Wow! and the Chinese Govt could not raise enough $ to buy out Frank!
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Originally Posted By: expat
Originally Posted By: sprintman
Every Tom **** and Harry has tried to reverse engineer RX including the Chinese govt. this has been common knowledge here for years. Use the search function.


Wow! and the Chinese Govt could not raise enough $ to buy out Frank!
Wadda guy
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If you outsourced RX it would be 50% cheaper..LOL
 
Originally Posted By: sprintman
Every Tom **** and Harry has tried to reverse engineer RX including the Chinese govt. this has been common knowledge here for years.


Sorry but this comes across as a loony statement. I seriously doubt the government of China is plotting to get the ARX formula in their hands.
 
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Originally Posted By: peterdes
It does?

No, I was being facetious.


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I saw six people asking for ARX at Kragen (auto auto parts chain) just today! I suppose Kragen will start stocking it soon.*

I bought a 3/8" to 1/2" drive adaptor at Kragen today.**




*veracity of claim unverified!
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** It's true, I cross my heart!
 
Originally Posted By: sprintman
And nearly every oil company wanted RX to replace current additive in their oil but wouldn't pay the price of manufacture. RX has worldwide success and suddenly every oil complany has 'extra cleaning ability'. I've never been big on coincidence.


I HIGHLY doubt Exxon-Mobil, who is the world's largest producer of PAO and Ester base-stocks (yeah, esters, like those FOUND in AutoRX) was seeking out Frank to replace their additive packages.

And from the results I've had with M1 over my tenure of using their products, they would have no need to.

IIRC, M1 has been making THEIR cleanliness claims (not like the PYB, Castrol...etc claims that are recent) LONG before AutoRX existed as a product.
 
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