Mobil 1 "Advanced Clean" 5w-30

[Sienna dude]

Comparative oil quality testing is complicated and expensive. Tests such as the Sequences are run at labs such as SWRI as Overkill noted. They are comprehensive in scope, I suggest you look into what’s involved rather than basing all of your apparent understanding on YouTube personalities.

No I don’t worship at the Altar of Lake.

Lake is credible.

 

[john_pifer]

I’m very excited to hear if this actually is a new product that has similar piston ring carbon removal capabilities as VRP! I’m actually surprised that all of the big companies haven’t reverse engineered VRP to try and figure it out and come up with their own version. I think it’s only a matter of time before we start to see many similar products come out like that.

Yeah, we don’t know that other oil companies HAVEN’T analyzed VRP to determine its active ingredient(s).

IMO, they’d be negligent NOT to do that.

 

[kschachn]

Lake is credible.

Didn’t say he wasn’t. More misguided amplification.

 

[kschachn]

Yeah, we don’t know that other oil companies HAVEN’T analyzed VRP to determine its active ingredient(s).

IMO, they’d be negligent NOT to do that.

They test everything else in their competitor’s products, so I agree they would know this as well.

 

[Sienna dude]

And Lake did those tests at hpl, not in his backyard

 

[OVERKILL]

There are some cool folks here on this board, don't get me wrong. But wish a guy like Lake Speed was here who could do tests and show us. Not just talks. It's amazing how he single-handedly silenced all the Truck & SUV skeptics

He wouldn't make any money doing it here, same reason Ascent Filtration isn't active here anymore, there simply isn't money in engaging with people who are actually interested in the deeply technical side of things. Youtube on the other hand, as long as you adequately fluff it up and make it sensational enough, it's a gold mine.

 

[OVERKILL]

Anything that is not mentioned on their website, does not exist

Here's Pablo confirming it was SWRI:

Post in thread 'Amsoil - Performance Tests'

Dec 22, 2022

Yes, that was my understanding, and, as @buster noted, I thought it was SWRI?

Yes

• Pablo

• 

I'm pretty sure I've got a picture of it saying it's SWRI kicking around here somewhere, but I'm not sure why the independent lab being SWRI or some other outfit ultimately matters, it's not AMSOIL doing the testing, it's a 3rd party to guarantee it's objectivity, and on that point, they are in fact quite transparent.

 

[Sienna dude]

He wouldn't make any money doing it here, same reason Ascent Filtration isn't active here anymore, there simply isn't money in engaging with people who are actually interested in the deeply technical side of things. Youtube on the other hand, as long as you adequately fluff it up and make it sensational enough, it's a gold mine.

Not sure if Youtube is his main gig other than maybe advertising his Oil Analysing company which is very expensive. He has many things going on. I really appreciate his effort to reach a common man that is not a chemist.
I also think he has a share in Dave's Secret Sauce product that he developed for Dave's Automative in Utah lol

 

[OVERKILL]

Not sure if Youtube is his main gig other than maybe advertising his Oil Analysing company which is very expensive. He has many things going on. I really appreciate his effort to reach a common man that is not a chemist.
I also think he has a share in Dave's Secret Sauce product that he developed for Dave's Automative in Utah lol

I don't think Youtube is his main gig, but he's doing it to make money, otherwise his videos would present more like Engineering Explained and be far less sensational. He knows how to work the algorithm, and that's good on him, it makes producing the content worthwhile, getting paid for it. As I said, nobody is going to endlessly do this stuff for free or at their expense, which is why I'm not running API or Euro sequences on stuff here for the benefit of the board, it's not really financially tenable.

We are very lucky (as is Lake) to have access to Dave at HPL and his willingness to use his lab to do stuff not only for Lake but for the oil community in general. His testing of M1 FS 0W-40 a while back now really put some weight behind what a lot of us were saying at the time, which was that the oil (SN at the time) was probably the best OTS oil going. He had it tested and it was the best performing OTS product they had tested, surprising them. You can search for his quotes on that on the forum if you like.

 

[nascarnation]

Comparative oil quality testing is complicated and expensive.

Truer words were never spoken.

 

[Sienna dude]

There are some Youtubers that you feel immense happiness for when you see they are succeeding. The Car Care Nut and Whip City Wrencher come to my mind. Whip City Wrencher's channel is not as busy though. Viktor G Automatic is another amazing guy. I have learned so much from him about my Sienna. He has saved me hundreds of dollars. I try to be generous with the Thanks feature on his channel.

 

[Brian123]

Truer words were never spoken.

https://www.bing.com/videos/rivervi...7F200D3361D9228643507F200D3361D922&ajaxhist=0

 

[Sienna dude]

I don't think Youtube is his main gig, but he's doing it to make money, otherwise his videos would present more like Engineering Explained and be far less sensational. He knows how to work the algorithm, and that's good on him, it makes producing the content worthwhile, getting paid for it. As I said, nobody is going to endlessly do this stuff for free or at their expense, which is why I'm not running API or Euro sequences on stuff here for the benefit of the board, it's not really financially tenable.

We are very lucky (as is Lake) to have access to Dave at HPL and his willingness to use his lab to do stuff not only for Lake but for the oil community in general. His testing of M1 FS 0W-40 a while back now really put some weight behind what a lot of us were saying at the time, which was that the oil (SN at the time) was probably the best OTS oil going. He had it tested and it was the best performing OTS product they had tested, surprising them. You can search for his quotes on that on the forum if you like.

So, seriously, when will you be kind enough to do the fuel test? There are gazillions of us on this board with fuel dilution problem. We should arrange the funds for the test.

 

[OVERKILL]

So, seriously, when will you be kind enough to do the fuel test? There are gazillions of us on this board with fuel dilution problem. We should arrange the funds for the test.

When Dave has the time available, I'll ask him about it again. He's out racing right now, so I'm not going to bug him. He has more important stuff going on than satisfying our curiosity, but appreciates the value of this test.

 

[buster]

Truer words were never spoken.

All the reason why it takes $ and time to nail it down. I think the IIIH test is about $50k-$60k to run.

Amsoil has their own mechanical engine lab that is dewpoint controlled. They can't run all tests like Valvoline or one of the other majors can, but they do have their own now. Gale Banks did a video with them on how important that was to have.

 

[Glenda W.]

Lake provides some really good info in the HPL lab vids. Then some really misguided info in his particle count “oil comparison” vids where a best oil is claimed. I’ve lost count how many people come here now claiming an oil is superior solely based on UOA wear particle counts. There’s just so many sequences in oil testing. It’s not that simple.

 

[buster]

Lake provides some really good info in the HPL lab vids. Then some really misguided info in his particle count “oil comparison” vids where a best oil is claimed. I’ve lost count how many people come here now claiming an oil is superior solely based on UOA wear particle counts. There’s just so many sequences in oil testing. It’s not that simple.

That is true. I'm going to ask him out of curiosity if his experience in NASCAR and oil analysis show a correlation with engine wear. I'm curious why he thinks such small differences in wear are significant.

 

[Sienna dude]

I have spent so much money on used oil analysis in the last 3 years and what is worse is that I used Blackstone. How good is a UOA to detect coolant leaks?

 

[kschachn]

I have spent so much money on used oil analysis in the last 3 years and what is worse is that I used Blackstone. How good is a UOA to detect coolant leaks?

And what have you gotten out of all of that spent money? Most of the time and for most people UOA are mostly useless.

Coolant leaks are one thing they can be a help. However, if you’re looking at your coolant recovery bottle then you can detect a leak that way as well.

The most egregious use of them however, is when people come on and say that one oil is better than other due to the spectrographic analysis. This is the major waste of money.

I used to run oil analyses back in college for our fluid power and mechanical engineering departments. Water contamination (back then a Karl Fischer analysis) was probably the most useful portion of the analysis. But spectrographic analyses rarely showed much of interest unless it was some specific element that was part of a unique component. But it was never, ever used to try and distinguish relative oil quality. You’re not on the same planet.

 

[Glenda W.]

I loved Lake's procesure to test used oil. UOA for particles that your eyes can't see, and that little machine for particles that UOA can't see. My gut feeling says if he does that test on Amsoil SS versus Mobil 1 EP, Mobil 1 EP will win

I truly believe EP would hang with SS under normal test conditions. But as conditions approach severe and go beyond minimum standards is where the boutiques start to shine. Many of my friends ask if boutiques are really better. My answer is always, “The real question is do you need better?”