Mobil 1 5w-30 - 02 Honda Civic Si K20A3, 7500 miless

[Surprise]

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OG=Oil Guard Black=Blackstone

New New

Lab: OG OG OG Black

Brand: Chevron M1 M1 M1

Supreme

Weight: 10w30 5w30 5w30 5w30

Miles on unit: 10170 15056 22476 22476

Miles on oil: 5072 4886 7420 7420

Filter: Honda Honda Honda Honda

Fram Fram TR TR



Al- 8 5 3 3

Cr- 1 0 0 0

Fe- 8 2 0 7

Cu- 15 5 6 5

Pb- 4 0 0 3

Sn- 0 0 0 1

Mo- 76

Ni- 0

Mn- 0

Ag- 0

Ti- 0

K- 5 0 0 0

B- 135

Si- 40 15 14 10

Na- 10 11 17 8

Ca- 3517

Mg- 18

P- 798

Zn- 894

Ba- 0



Sus@210- 61.0

Flashpoint- 385

Fuel-
Glycol- none none none 0.0

water-
Insolubles 0.2

Oxidation- 6.3 10.8 13.5

Visc@100- 13.7 13.0 13.3

Nitration- 4.3 4.9 5.3

Sae-
TBN- 4.0 5.8

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I thought I would give Blackstone labs a try. I also Wanted to see the difference in labs. Overall I think with typical error the results are pretty comparable. The only issue being the higher viscosity rating. Currently I have M1 0w20 in the car (what Honda wants), and plan to run it for the same 7500 mile interval.

My driving consists of four 3 mile trips to work uphill, everyday. 50% highway that is 80-85 mph for 350 miles, the gearing of the car at this speed is 4000-4500rpm+.I also Redline the engine at least once a week and take it up Highway 1 once a month. Oil ran from 7/2003-12/2003 in 40-85 degree weather.

I am still very new at this, any information, insight or general comments are apreciated.

 

[Ken4]

OG results seem dodgy to me, good thing you tried blackstone. Fe at 0 and vis@100 of 13.3 looks like lab error. And no additive levels

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[Green Max]

I wouldn't call the lab results comparable, the Fe and Pb readings are way off. I would trust Blackstone personally but could the error have come from the way the samples were taken? If you took the Blackstone sample early in the oil drain and the OG sample when the oil was just trickling, it's possible that the heavy Fe and Pb particles have settled down and would not be detectable in the late sample. Then again, I may be wrong.

 

[Surprise]

Oops I missed the Fe levels. I think that is more error than what I would think is acceptable. I took the Blackstone sample right after the Oil Guard sample, as close as possible to minimize any differences.

 

[Patman]

I think the Blackstone results are the more accurate ones here. Even then, the results do look very good!

 

[Schmoe]

Hey! Fe is coming down on a Honda motor using M1.

 

[dustyjoe1]

Intersting that he has several oci's with the same oil....maybe an engine needs to "get used" to M1 to come back to good fe levels....someone posted that the boron content may be the culprit, perhaps this stabilizes after a few oci's. I am not an expert at this. So Just musing, any thoughts? I'm interested since I am using m1 0w20 in my honda.

 

[Jay]

Your last results with M1 5w-30 were similar to my results with the same engine and oil. All your wear metals are 1000mi which is excellent. I ran M1 0w-20 in my K20A3 last interval and my wear metals were about the same or slightly better than M1 5w-30 and my gas mileage increased about 1.5% ~ 2%.

 

[Schmoe]

When I went from a 5W-20 Penn. to M1 5W-30, gas mileage decreased. Boy, these Honda engines are sensitive I guess. Mine was the V6 though. I read that forum on Boron and Fe. Thought it was interesting, still thinking about that. Basically, it was the belief by the member that the Fe was "flash rust." Oxidation coming from some other part of the engine and the Fe did not necessarily mean engine wear. Wonder if a lab could distinguish the differences through mass spec. or atomic absorption. Price would surely go up. Wonder if M1 is still tweaking their formula? I think there are some members here that work for Mobil or something. Anyway, getting that Fe down is sure sweet. My only concern about M1.

[ January 07, 2004, 02:11 PM: Message edited by: Schmoe ]

 

[dustyjoe1]

Initially I went from pzoil 5w20 to m1 0w30 and also saw a decrease in mileage. with m1 0w20 the mileage is as good as it ever was.

(1.7 ex honda engine)

 

[HOndaGuy]

yeah, the 1.7s love the 0w20, and thats the only oil Ill use in this engine until amsoil can come out with a true group iv/v 20wt that has a better additive package.