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[ January 05, 2006, 01:42 AM: Message edited by: 59 Vetteman ]
[ January 05, 2006, 01:42 AM: Message edited by: 59 Vetteman ]
Mining tragedy
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They didn't make it!! This is terrible.
CNN and MSNBC are both reporting it. A woman came by Anderson Cooper on CNN and told of the bad news.
I'm about sick to my stomach and I'm not even remotely kin to these folks. I was about to go to bed, but now I'm wide awake. Those poor families.
CNN and MSNBC are both reporting it. A woman came by Anderson Cooper on CNN and told of the bad news.
I'm about sick to my stomach and I'm not even remotely kin to these folks. I was about to go to bed, but now I'm wide awake. Those poor families.
Only 1 made it. Total miscommunication, or outright lying and deception on the part of the mine company. Shhhhhhhhhhhh, can you hear it??? It's lawsuits being filed. Rightly so. On Fox, some guy was explaining the sequence of events and was making the case that the company knew they were fatalities all along.
When you run your electrical appliances, appreciate the fact that there are people putting their lives at risk to keep those power plants fueled.
Let's not speculate. I'm sure the details will come out in the next few days or weeks. The search crew was 2 miles into the hill and relaying info back to the surface. The situation was charged...
Exactly. Speculating and not having the facts confirmed is what caused the miscommunication in the first place.
That is tragic ... esp hearing your family members are alive first.
Call me a stooge, but due to the twisted outcome of this story, I think this thread should be removed for the respect of all involved?
Let this topic have some peace, as the families try to get on with their lives.
Let this topic have some peace, as the families try to get on with their lives.
..I have been sick in bed for the past couple days, so I wasn't updated on this topic per tv/radio, and started to read this thread with joy, and it was a shock half way through.
I don't think the thread should be removed/closed, really, but is there a way to change the original title? that would be good, if that can be done.
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I've been reading up on the topic on cnn, bbc, etc...
I do think it must be terrible to hear that they were alive first, and then the opposite...I don't know how I would cope with something like that, and fully understand the fury/frustration/shock of all the relatives.
But, did anybody really WANT to give them wrong news, ON PURPOSE? as a cruel, calculated joke? I can't imagine that they did...the way the rescue crews/mining officials being bashed as liars is a bit too much, imo. It was a mistake, a VEY BAD one, but still a mistake made by one or more humans. I bet they didn't WANT to make that mistake, so i think one should try to understand that the false positive alarm was not deliberately planned or designed to hurt the family members...as i said, it's a VERY unfortunate error, at the worst possible time, but still an unintended one.
[ January 04, 2006, 03:30 PM: Message edited by: 97tbird ]
I don't think the thread should be removed/closed, really, but is there a way to change the original title? that would be good, if that can be done.
EDIT:
I've been reading up on the topic on cnn, bbc, etc...
I do think it must be terrible to hear that they were alive first, and then the opposite...I don't know how I would cope with something like that, and fully understand the fury/frustration/shock of all the relatives.
But, did anybody really WANT to give them wrong news, ON PURPOSE? as a cruel, calculated joke? I can't imagine that they did...the way the rescue crews/mining officials being bashed as liars is a bit too much, imo. It was a mistake, a VEY BAD one, but still a mistake made by one or more humans. I bet they didn't WANT to make that mistake, so i think one should try to understand that the false positive alarm was not deliberately planned or designed to hurt the family members...as i said, it's a VERY unfortunate error, at the worst possible time, but still an unintended one.
[ January 04, 2006, 03:30 PM: Message edited by: 97tbird ]
It's kind of a double tragedy for the families, and the anger at the time of getting the truth is understandable. There doesn't seem to have been any motive for the false good news and it was just a horrible mistake. (unlike, say, the Russian government lying to their citizens about the fate of the Kursk submariners).
My grandmother on my mothers side was from a mining family. Her parents kicked her out of the house when she was a teenager and sent her off to the big city to work as a maid. They didn't want her to be 'stuck' in the mining town. Nowadays, mining is very safe but back then, early 1900's, it was not. Still have some distant relatives working in the mines.
My thoughts go out to the families in this tragedy.
My grandmother on my mothers side was from a mining family. Her parents kicked her out of the house when she was a teenager and sent her off to the big city to work as a maid. They didn't want her to be 'stuck' in the mining town. Nowadays, mining is very safe but back then, early 1900's, it was not. Still have some distant relatives working in the mines.
My thoughts go out to the families in this tragedy.
strange.
My wife's Grandmom, still living, and 80 yrs old, is also from a mining family...(I think in Kentucky?). she's an extremely active, tough lady, still taking care of an old, bed-ridden friend of hers, and moving around, though driving slightly dangerously in a 1988 Caprice
My wife's Grandmom, still living, and 80 yrs old, is also from a mining family...(I think in Kentucky?). she's an extremely active, tough lady, still taking care of an old, bed-ridden friend of hers, and moving around, though driving slightly dangerously in a 1988 Caprice
Kestas
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This twisted reporting and the rush for media to be first with the breaking news makes me sick. We also had to endure it when the Pope died (first to report his death, then first to report that a new one was chosen). This turned me off from being a news junkie and lowered the status of news reporters to the level of used car salesmen. I'll wait for the proper news.
It's just a bad deal all the way around.
My Dad's dad worked in the cinnabar mines near here way back when. I've actually been up to the old abandoned mines many,many,many years ago. I was too scared to even look down the old mine shaft, much less go in and work every day.
Miners are courageous folk no doubt.
My Dad's dad worked in the cinnabar mines near here way back when. I've actually been up to the old abandoned mines many,many,many years ago. I was too scared to even look down the old mine shaft, much less go in and work every day.
Miners are courageous folk no doubt.
Patman
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I changed the original title, and deleted a few of the first posts (when people were still thinking that the miners were alive)
What a sad tragedy
What a sad tragedy
Thanks, Patman...
now if you can rid of the little "thumbs up" symbol on the title, that would be perfect (no biggie if you can't though)
now if you can rid of the little "thumbs up" symbol on the title, that would be perfect (no biggie if you can't though)
Miners Found Alive is the headline on the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette today, right next to Dewey Wins!
My prayers go out to the families and the miners who lost their lives in this very tragic incident..
The mine in question is about 40 mins south of Fairmont and Morgantown, so a tragedy like this really hits home. My Grandfather started in the mines when they payed 1$ per ton of coal removed with a pick and shovel. My Father worked 20+ years retiring in the early 90's. I can offer some background on the situation.
While the actual cause of the initial explosion is yet to be totally confirmed it is most likely the result of methane gas. The mine in question has had alot of areas mined out and have been sealed in the past. The sealing procedure uses concrete walls with a positive ventilitaion source blowing air at the wall 24-7 to keep the gases on the other side. If something went wrong with the ventilitaion system and methane leaked into an electrical area it only takes one spark in that enviroment. With colder temps and a low barometer it also makes the job of containing the gases difficult.
I called my Dad last night upon hearing the news the miners were alive and he responded by saying it's a miracle! The resperator gear miners take underground will supply oxygen for 1 hour walking and around 3-4 hours not moving. Proper survival procedure is to barricade yourself in.
Mine rescue teaches a trapped miner to every 15 mins pound with a metallic object on the roof bolts leading to the surface. These sound waves will travel vast distances and be detected by sound listening machines up on the surface. This allows the actual pinpointing of the miners spot. I'm curious to see whether or not they were doing this procedure. It may have expedited their rescue.
With the quality of the air after an explosion like that it's truely a miracle anyone made it out of the mine.
Our Prayers are with the families and friends of these miners.
While the actual cause of the initial explosion is yet to be totally confirmed it is most likely the result of methane gas. The mine in question has had alot of areas mined out and have been sealed in the past. The sealing procedure uses concrete walls with a positive ventilitaion source blowing air at the wall 24-7 to keep the gases on the other side. If something went wrong with the ventilitaion system and methane leaked into an electrical area it only takes one spark in that enviroment. With colder temps and a low barometer it also makes the job of containing the gases difficult.
I called my Dad last night upon hearing the news the miners were alive and he responded by saying it's a miracle! The resperator gear miners take underground will supply oxygen for 1 hour walking and around 3-4 hours not moving. Proper survival procedure is to barricade yourself in.
Mine rescue teaches a trapped miner to every 15 mins pound with a metallic object on the roof bolts leading to the surface. These sound waves will travel vast distances and be detected by sound listening machines up on the surface. This allows the actual pinpointing of the miners spot. I'm curious to see whether or not they were doing this procedure. It may have expedited their rescue.
With the quality of the air after an explosion like that it's truely a miracle anyone made it out of the mine.
Our Prayers are with the families and friends of these miners.
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