Medicare Advantage Plans

I had the Part F SAupplemental for 20+ years. Finally dropped it. Get someone who specializes in Advantage plans. Premiums are now $9,600 per year. HighMark Advantage "Select" plan is $0 per year.

I can use my own Dr (zero copay), Specialist (zero copay). Emergency Room ($50).
Its a no brainer. Go with an Advantage Plan.
Here is the rub, you, like myself understand the system because we are informed and part of the system in the sense that we use it.
Being in Social Media and Arm Chair so called mass media news stories have no idea how the system works, which I am going to correct in another reply to someone shortly down this thread.
 
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My MA plans are through IBM group MA plans. Maybe it's specific to some plans. But the article in WSJ did mention these at home health assessments. So it's not just me. They nurse or doctor is busy for 30 to 45 min putting information into their laptop about my medical conditions. But really do not tell me much as far as medical advice. Certainly not going to come up with some medical advice my primary care doctor has not already told me.

On the positive side the nurse or doctor does give me a gift for spending my time on the health assessment. Last year a cutting board and this year a cooler bag.
I have to disagree, I would be surprised if you have a medical condition that you are concerned about you would not look to further your education and information on that health dilemma that may be of concern. Being informed, seeking advice, is your responsibility to yourself and your family. Its great to listen to your doctor but if there is a concern dont you think you should learn further about it and possibly seek more information even if to talk to someone on where to go you can get another opinion on your concerns?
Wouldnt you think that is prudent? So then why do you care, at no cost to the government should, like in my case be able to take them up on talking to someone outside the "practice"?

Im being watched for cancer.
I have a sky high PSA level, been through 3 MRI's and 3 Biopsy's so far over the last 6ish years. My level has gone as high as 21 and never lower than 10 in the last couple years. It should be at 4 and below. Ok, so it's been a couple years since the last one, current doctor has a plan of action and watching. I'll know more in August after another PSA. I made him aware that I want nothing held back, meaning MRI and Biopsy because that is the only way to know for sure. I would like one more and then be able to rest easy knowing it just what my level is going to be with no cancer most likely for the rest of my life.

I am thinking about having a home visit scheduled to hear other thoughts. Maybe there is something I dont know about? Maybe another option to speak to one other doctor to be sure of the course of action?
 
Basic Medicare is all that’s needed. The “advantage” plan payouts are contested more than any other medical plans.
Sounds great, so for the rest of your life you are willing to pay 20% of all your medical costs (except hospitals) with no out of pocket limit?
If so that is great, others rather have a limit of what you have to pay out with an Advantage plan or Private Medicare Part G or N plus D
 
Sounds great, so for the rest of your life you are willing to pay 20% of all your medical costs (except hospitals) with no out of pocket limit?
If so that is great, others rather have a limit of what you have to pay out with an Advantage plan or Private Medicare Part G or N plus D
I just left that one alone. Didn't make sense to me, but...........this is pretty much like the other 2+ MA threads.
 
I recently read an article about Medicare Advantage plans. Some interesting points. They are ripping off Medicare by billions.

They try and get doctors to code as many diagnostic codes so they get more in the flat fee they get from Medicare.

Recruit healthy people They get $10K to $12K in a flat fee person from Medicare. And some they never pay a dime in claims
You're so wrong, you need to really research how the system works. (by the way, my capital letters are in NO WAY yelling or angry, its just me pointing out things I dont want anyone to miss, I enjoy conversation which I think you know)
Your first and second sentence will show you how wrong or how you mis-read or how the article you read is wrong.

Here it goes:
You say Medicare Advantage Plans are ripping off Medicare by getting doctors to make more claims.
Ok, think about that. Medicare PAYs (actually you say that in your 3rd sentence) a SET AMOUNT OF MONEY PER YEAR PER CONTRACT to cover someone in the Advantage Plan.

To think an insurance company wants you to make more claims so they make less money is just silly. Which I am sure you see now that I explained it. The government already gave the Advantage Plan covering you a contract price for the year. Whatever is left over is profit for the insurance company.

NO DIFFERENT THAN YOUR CAR INSURANCE< LIFE INSURANCE OR HOME INSURANCE.
OF COURSE FOR SOME PEOPLE THEY NEVER PAY A DIME, that is how insurance works in everything in life, insurance could not work any other way. Some people need HUNDREDS of THOUSANDS in treatment and others nothing. But the ones who need nothing are insured that one day if they need that treatment, they are INSURED> They do not have to be if they do not wish too.

IT IS THE MEDICAL INDUSTRY that tries to code as many things possible in EVERY MEDICARE plan NOT just Advantage plans, IN FACT ITS THE ADVANTAGE PLANS THAT STOP FRAUD MUCH MORE EFFECTIVELY THEN GOVERNMENT PLANS and ONE REASON why they can deliver more benefits for almost the same dollar amount.

Here is a perfect example and why you need to research and question wha you read. Here are two real articles of a total of FOUR BILLION dollars in medicare and medicaid fraud against medicare, these were payments the Medicare system paid for people with traditional medicare, NOT Advantage C plans.

Click here for the first story - THREE BILLION FRAUD SCHEME

https://www.fbi.gov/news/stories/billion-dollar-medicare-fraud-bust-040919
 
You say Medicare Advantage Plans are ripping off Medicare by getting doctors to make more claims.
NO. That is not what @Donald said.

The start of this thread was how Advantage insurance companies rip off the government by claiming that a covered person has serious health conditions they don't actually have. This allows the insurance company to collect a higher premium from the government for that person.

The system also encourages a rip-off to the consumer in that the insurance company alone decides whether or not to pay out for a treatment or drug, and they deny expensive stuff whenever they can. Private insurance is much less accountable than the government.
 
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Ask someone who has an Advantage Plan. Also Google/Yelp. However-make sure it's someone who specializes in those plans. Not someone selling all other types of insurance (home, auto, etc).
After doing 5 minutes of googling, it looks like my wife and I will almost certainly be on a PEEHIP UnitedHealthcare Group Medicare Advantage (PPO) plan when we become Medicare eligible. This is the default path for retired government employees in our state, and I'm on her plan. Luckily we have more than a few years before we have to worry about this.
 
NO. That is not what @Donald said.

The start of this thread was how Advantage insurance companies rip off the government by claiming that a covered person has serious health conditions they don't actually have. This allows the insurance company to collect a higher premium from the government for that person.

The system also encourages a rip-off to the consumer in that the insurance company alone decides whether or not to pay out for a treatment or drug, and they deny expensive stuff whenever they can. Private insurance is much less accountable than the government.
YES it is exactly what Donald said. Thread title is irrelevant. I quoted Donalds post.
Not in an Advantage Plan which @Donald has said if you read the post.

Let me quote what he said and what I replied. ( I mean it is all there above in my reply and his quote, I guess you missed it, it happens to us all)
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Donald said:
I recently read an article about Medicare Advantage plans. Some interesting points. They are ripping off Medicare by billions."
 
After doing 5 minutes of googling, it looks like my wife and I will almost certainly be on a PEEHIP UnitedHealthcare Group Medicare Advantage (PPO) plan when we become Medicare eligible. This is the default path for retired government employees in our state, and I'm on her plan. Luckily we have more than a few years before we have to worry about this.
Nothing to worry about, best system in the world. Now that I have Medicare for the first time in my life I dont have to worry about medical insurance. Much of my life I have been self employed or an independent contractor. Now, for the rest of my life (finally and hopefully a long one) I need not worry about a thing, zero, nothing, nada

You will always be covered and no one can cancel you and every accepted medial procedure will be covered for the rest of your life. I you think about it, you can count on it more than anything else in the world, including your own family. :)
 
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Nothing to worry about, best system in the world. Now that I have Medicare for the first time in my life I dont have to worry about medical insurance. Much of my life I have been self employed or an independent contractor. Now, for the rest of my life (finally and hopefully a long one) I need not worry about a thing, zero, nothing, notta

You will always be covered and no one can cancel you and every accepted medial procedure will be covered for the rest of your life. I you think about it, you can count on it more than anything else in the world, including your own family. :)
Nada
 
What about your first 65 years? Would you rate that experience "best system in the world?"

Other countries have found out that naturally it costs less to kick the middleman to the curb. We can't do that for some reason.
 
Some are so dead set against Medicare Advantage Plans they spew nonsense against them.
I suggest anyone should go to www.medicare.gov for real info and comparisons.

Insurance for me is to protect against catastrophic loss and potential insolvency.

If you are extremely ill (cancer or similar) across your reset, your medical bills could decimate your savings

I chose traditional Medicare with a supplement (plan N) My plan Nancy is just over 100 dollars a month.
No procedure pre-authorizations and a long hospital stays will be fully covered 100%

My brother just moved from Cali to AZ and had to setup all new insurance as their Advantage plan wasn't portable.
Traditional medicare is portable and accepted at any facility that accepts medicare in any state - which are most.

Advantage plans can appear enticing from a up front cost perspective, but know all the pitfalls and costs before making a decision. Most have a Max out-of-pocket (moop) and the less costly the plan, the more it can be - close to $9000 - annually for 2024.
It can be a one way door and if your health situation gets dire - or even tragic and costly - you may not be able to return to Traditional Medicare with a Supplement due to the now required medical underwriting - you can be denied insurance with a pre-existing condition.

It may take a couple months of study to get a good handle on this subject so - read up!

https://www.medicare.gov/
 
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I suggest any should go to www.medicare.gov for real info and comparisons.

Insurance for me is to protect against catastrophic loss and potential insolvency.

If you are extremely ill (cancer or similar) across your reset, your medical bills could decimate your savings

I chose traditional Medicare with a supplement (plan N) My plan Nancy is just over 100 dollars a month.
No procedure pre-authorizations and a long hospital stays will be fully covered 100%

My brother just moved from Cali to AZ and had to setup all new insurance as their Advantage plan wasn't portable.
Traditional medicare is portable and accepted at any facility that accepts medicare in any state - which are most.

Advantage plans can appear enticing from a up front cost perspective, but know all the pitfalls and costs before making a decision. Most have a Max out-of-pocket (moop) and the less costly the plan, the more it can be - close to $9000 - annually for 2024.
It can be a one way door and if your health situation gets dire - or even tragic and costly - you may not be able to return to Traditional Medicare with a Supplement due to the now required medical underwriting - you can be denied insurance with a pre-existing condition.

It may take a couple months of study to get a good handle on this subject so - read up!

https://www.medicare.gov/
Well said but one should stick to just your first sentence for real info. you pay $100+ $175.
Everything else is you opinion. You outline the disadvantages of the plans you didnt chose and mis represent the cost of your plan.You leave out plan D lack of dental, vision and hearing coverage.

Your $9000 can scare people but you leave out your medical bills would have to be in the hundreds of thousands to get there.
Also, my out of pocket is less than $5000. It is true medicare raises out of pocket allowances based on inflation with Advantage plans.
My family member got out of Plan G and Plan D because every five years he was getting big increases. Now in an Advantage Plan, less than two years ago the retail price (billable amount, not actual amount paid) on his heart procedures was just over $500,000 and he paid $2,900 with his advantage plan.

I, myself in 2022 had $130,000 in procedures Cardiac Ablation, Angiogram etc my cost was less than $1,000.

You are correct though, Advantage plans do take understanding as to what you are getting into but it's not always dire as posted.
For me I pay nothing, my net cost is zero, even the $175 a month government payment is made up for in my benefits.
I do get it though, I have family members with both but some converted once they saw what I had.
It is true in most states, BUT not all, once in Advantage plans it can be hard to get back into Private G and N plans plus D coverage.
Some states have banned the under writing requirement. But agree, know what you are getting into.

LETS not forget in ALL states you can try an Advantage plan for your first year of coverage and if you dont like it you can switch to traditional plans. Again, important that people read up.

Aa far as your brother, any insurance is personal choice lets make sure people know, there is nothing to "set up" when moving to another state in Advantage C plans other than go online and choose a plan in that state. With a couple clicks of a mouse, Medicare sets everything up. Example, I just moved to a new state last year. I could have kept my UHC advantage plan with slightly different terms but I found a new one available to me with even better benefits at Aetna. So with a click of the mouse "Sign up for this plan" last Dec 1st during the change over time. Instantly on medicare.gov I was be covered starting Jan 1 2024. That simple. Not kidding, ONE CLICK.
If I wanted to go back to traditional medicare it would not be simple at all.

Everyone has their thing with insurance and AGAIN I could not be more supportive of your statement. READ UP.
http://medicare.gov you can spend a month on educating yourself. I look at it this way. You can pay now plan N or G plus Plan D and all your own dental, vision and hearing or take your chances with Advantage as long as you can afford the max out of pocket each year.
Like any state, insurance prices are all over the place for ALL the Medicare plans.

BTW- another scare tactic is pre approvals, government requires Advantage plans to cover EVERY single thing covered by traditional medicare except experimental treatments. That doesnt mean they will be denied but can. Any of these heart procedures not once did I run into any concerns by specialists. Yet, when I had an employer my company health insurance threw up more hurdles.

PS I am NOT in anyway promoting one program over another and why I agree, others to do their own research. Nice thing about having free choices. Choose what you want to spend your money on. You can self insure and opt out of everything too. Hospital will still be covered.
OR you can just keep plan A and B and pay 20% of all your doctor bills and bills outside a hospital stay.
OR then you get into optional Plan G or N and Plan D for drugs which are administered by the same private insurance companies that handle Advantage C plans.

Or skip all the above and choose an Advantage C plan. I will say, it bothers me a little bit the out of pocket cost can be in the future that is an unknown but at the same time the same unknown is the premium of G,N, and D. Either way, the government has to approve all Advantage C plans.

There is no right or wrong with anything, like anything in life, know what you are purchasing. Its the mis-information that people rely on that drives me crazy *LOL*
 
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Well said but one should stick to just your first sentence for real info. you pay $100+ $175.
Everything else is you opinion. You outline the disadvantages of the plans you didnt chose and mis represent the cost of your plan.You leave out plan D lack of dental, vision and hearing coverage.

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There is no right or wrong with anything, like anything in life, know what you are purchasing. Its the mis-information that people rely on that drives me crazy *LOL*
Make no mistake, The approach in retirement that leaves you most at risk is Traditional Medicare without any Supplemental insurance - long term hospital stay co-insurance goes sky high. You also have the ever looming 20% co-insurance.

On my road taken, I was informed that G supplement cost were about to baloon, so I went with N - and that plan actually went down in cost after the first year. Another surprise, Supplemental coverage is federally mandated to be the same, but monthly plan costs by carrier vary widely to the tune of hundreds of dollars. And there is also a considerable Regional variation in pricing.

My wife required the ability to choose her doctor and not be tethered to a network. She also wanted no frustration from the (major?) procedure pre-approval process of Advantage plans. We know of a person that was denied knee joint surgery being first required to undergo many months of therapy and "rehab" before the surgical option would be considered. Severity of application must certainly vary by carrier; You may be relatively unencumbered here where others may not be.

Nothing I mentioned here or in my post before are opinion unless obviously stated as such. If I had to choose, I would likely have gone with an Advantage plan; but to keep it simple and reduce overall costs - such as spousal plan discounts - I went the same direction my wife wanted to, and "bundled" the optional insurance.

After all of those months of study and hand wringing and mental gymnastics, of course she chooses to see a Naturopathic Doctor that doesn't accept Medicare. Whatever gets and keeps her well I say fine and good. The Medicare coverage option will be there.

- Arco
 
@ARCOgraphite
Well said, enjoyed the conversation. Choice is good. Education is key.

"Supplemental coverage is federally mandated to be the same, but monthly plan costs by carrier vary widely to the tune of hundreds of dollars. And there is also a considerable Regional variation in pricing."

This goes for both Medigap and Advantage plans. Meaning both Medigap and Advantage are private insurance and MUST cover all procedures covered under Medicare. Medicare approves each Advantage plan and pays a set premium for each subscriber. I agree if you get into experimental issues Advantage will be more dicey if and only if Medicare is allowing some experimental treatments. This would also go for traditional employe insurance, no guarantee they would pay experimental. I you want to pay the premium which can get quite costly, by all means nothing wrong for those who wish to pay. Goes for any kind of insurance right?

Yes, prices are wild, I have noticed the New York Advantage plans out of pocket much higher than here in the Carolinas. Cost to do business is higher in NY but I also wonder if part of it is the right to go back to traditional medicare should you want oo.
 
IME dealing with Medicare Advantage Plans, on behalf of my parents, I'll say they're good, until you really need them...

I'll post my comment from a few months back on another thread:

My GP told me that every man will eventually get Prostate cancer, if they live long enough.

I can usually see my GP quickly, in a day or two. Sometimes even the same day if it's important. I have an insurance plan that is expensive. It got much more expensive, and coverage got worse, after Obamacare took effect.

When I was the caregiver for my parents, the Oncologist sometimes wanted to know what was going on with my dad's cancer, that day. So we'd get the CT scan or MRI, the same day. They had a Medicare Advantage plan. Usually it was pretty good, except when the insurance wanted to deny coverage for something based on reading a file, instead of actually seeing the patient.

An example was an intensive physical therapy program which would have benefited my dad greatly. The Insurance decided they didn't want to pay for the intensive physical therapy, and instead sent him home with a couple times a week physical therapy in the home. It took him a lot longer to recover than I believe it would have in the intensive program.

Or their was the time that insurance denied my mom continuing to receive in-home healthcare. I called and complained, the Nurse called, we did a telehealth visit with the GP who confirmed she needed continued in-home care. The insurance in their wisdom said they needed a hand-written letter from my mom, requesting why she needed to have continuing in-home healthcare.

This was a 92 year old with dementia/alzheimers, who had just been through the death of her husband (my father), she was aware enough to know he was gone, and she was suffering from Pneumonia... which the insurance was aware of. Let that sink in...

I wrote (forged) the dam* letter to the Humana Grievance Department, explaining why I (my mom) suffering from dementia/alzheimers, AND Pneumonia needed continued in-home care. I had to try and compose it as though I were her...

I mailed it off through the USPS, (because that is the only option they would accept) and waited, while I planned my dad's final arrangements. And continued to do my best to take care of mom.

In their magnanimity they eventually sent a letter that she had been approved for continued care... Unfortunately their letter explaining their benevolence, arrived the day she was rushed to the hospital and died in the ER.

Then they had a the gall to send another letter asking if we were pleased with their responsiveness and care... I called and was less than kind. I sent another letter to the Humana Grievance department, this time composed as myself, asking if that was how they would treat their own elderly parents? And suggested they take a good long look in the mirror.

Humana, is NOT Humana-tarian.
 
IME dealing with Medicare Advantage Plans, on behalf of my parents, I'll say they're good, until you really need them...

I'll post my comment from a few months back on another thread:
I guess my question would be, who is to say the same thing would not have happened with traditional medicare?
If medicare doesnt cover a procedure for a specific reason it will be denied too. Meaning Medicare does deny treatments if they do not conform to the coverage. This isnt just Advantage Plans that deny, after all they have to cover everything Medicare does, it's about all Medicare and honestly all health insurance or costs would run out of control insuring questionable practices. Sadly no system is perfect.

Good post and bad things happen for sure. It's tough getting old and if we are fortunate enough we all will get old. My sympathies, dont take my response as a negative.
https://www.elderlawanswers.com/what-to-do-when-medicare-says-39no39-2334

https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/medicare-denial-letter#appeals
 
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I guess my question would be, who is to say the same thing would not have happened with traditional medicare?
If medicare doesnt cover a procedure for a specific reason it will be denied too. Meaning Medicare does deny treatments if they do not conform to the coverage. This isnt just Advantage Plans that deny, after all they have to cover everything Medicare does, it's about all Medicare and honestly all health insurance or costs would run out of control insuring questionable practices. Sadly no system is perfect.

Good post and bad things happen for sure. It's tough getting old and if we are fortunate enough we all will get old. My sympathies, dont take my response as a negative.
https://www.elderlawanswers.com/what-to-do-when-medicare-says-39no39-2334

https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/medicare-denial-letter#appeals

I was told by numerous people, Doctors, Nurses, Social workers, etc. That in my listed instances of denial from Humana, my parents WOULD have been better off on straight Medicare. They deal with those situations all the time, so I defer to their experience. When I reach the age to receive Medicare, we'll see if it's still around.

I will say that anyone should have an issue with how my mother in particular was treated by Humana. That is just an entirely different level of depraved behavior.
 
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