Marvel Mystery oil and....

[bangtango]

Guys-
I am AMAZED at the questions people post (no offense to previous posting) on the infamous MMO. Do people really think this stuff is bottled at the fountain of youth? The constant stream of questions about this product mixed with something else perplexes me. If this oil additive was so good and if it could be mixed with another product to make a 'magic elixir' of some type, why would the company not make these mixes available? This stuff is just a basic additive that has been around forever, and if the stuff on this forum is any indicator, it will be around for another 100 years. How about we just do good basic oil changes, and focus on premium syn oil changes with a quality filter? If you factored in the costs of the mystery additives, you could purchase good high grade syn oil and avoid some of these miracles in a bottle.
My 2 cents.

 

[kr_bitog]

There is a use of MMO that can not be replaced just by good high grade syn oil. e.g. :
- Clean the spark plug by mixing it with gas
- Clean the ring area when mixed with oil

Of course there are other additives that may be more effective on doing the above, but for the MMO price, I believe MMO still has niche purpose and fans

 

[demarpaint]

Originally Posted By: bangtango
Guys-
I am AMAZED at the questions people post (no offense to previous posting) on the infamous MMO. Do people really think this stuff is bottled at the fountain of youth? The constant stream of questions about this product mixed with something else perplexes me. If this oil additive was so good and if it could be mixed with another product to make a 'magic elixir' of some type, why would the company not make these mixes available? This stuff is just a basic additive that has been around forever, and if the stuff on this forum is any indicator, it will be around for another 100 years. How about we just do good basic oil changes, and focus on premium syn oil changes with a quality filter? If you factored in the costs of the mystery additives, you could purchase good high grade syn oil and avoid some of these miracles in a bottle.
My 2 cents.


How about the guy that wants to do what you suggested but isn't fortunate enough to buy a new car and properly maintain it from day one? Perhaps said person bought someone elses nightmare and wants to clean it up. Or at some point in the life of that properly cared for engine a lifter starts ticking? It happens.

From my own experience and from helping others with their engines MMO is a stand alone product, it does fine on its own and doesn't need to be mixed with anything else. As far as cost, it is cheaper than premium synthetic oil, unless you are buying your oil as part of some special sale.

So yes in some instances properly maintaining a car is the key, however not all of us are that fortunate. JMO

 

[Johnny]

Originally Posted By: bangtango
Guys-
I am AMAZED at the questions people post (no offense to previous posting) on the infamous MMO. Do people really think this stuff is bottled at the fountain of youth? The constant stream of questions about this product mixed with something else perplexes me. If this oil additive was so good and if it could be mixed with another product to make a 'magic elixir' of some type, why would the company not make these mixes available? This stuff is just a basic additive that has been around forever, and if the stuff on this forum is any indicator, it will be around for another 100 years. How about we just do good basic oil changes, and focus on premium syn oil changes with a quality filter? If you factored in the costs of the mystery additives, you could purchase good high grade syn oil and avoid some of these miracles in a bottle.
My 2 cents.


What did you do, get up this morning and eat two bowls of Wheaties?

Get ready and

 

[Captain_Klink]

totally agree, but please don't tell me that Santa Claus doesn't exist. If MMO was so great, the oil companies would be already putting it into the oil. the fact they don't, suggest that you shouldn't either. of course i do drop a bit of 2 stroke oil in the gasoline, but only a 500:1 mixture, and only because Sarge is such an expert on it, and gasoline companies have not realized that such a simple move would increase fuel economy and engine life, and give them a huge promotional advantage. just like what "platformate" does to Shell gasoline. Esso goes all in, and puts a "tiger in your tank".

 

[rclint]

I have not had my Wheaties as of yet this morning, so I can't handle the pounding. I agree with the OP, and I also think he was referring more towards the regular users of MMO that use with every oil change as preventive maintenance or maybe more accurate to ward off any evil motor spirits. I don't see a problem at all with the use of MMO or other additives for cleaning an abused engine I have done that very thing myself. I have also used MMO on air cooled engines in both oil, and gas to help clean up neglected engines, it's a weak additive to say the least which may be a good think on abused engines..

As far as cleaning up spark plugs I have seen first hand what additives to gasoline does to plugs, it contaminates them !! You will see a white, or brown build up which can cause many of the problems with misfires, heat range etc that the additive is said to prevent.

 

[JHZR2]

Originally Posted By: Captain_Klink
totally agree, but please don't tell me that Santa Claus doesn't exist. If MMO was so great, the oil companies would be already putting it into the oil. the fact they don't, suggest that you shouldn't either. of course i do drop a bit of 2 stroke oil in the gasoline, but only a 500:1 mixture, and only because Sarge is such an expert on it, and gasoline companies have not realized that such a simple move would increase fuel economy and engine life, and give them a huge promotional advantage. just like what "platformate" does to Shell gasoline. Esso goes all in, and puts a "tiger in your tank".



They do. All oils are heavily additized, as are motor fuels. EVERYTHING in engineering a product is a compromise. Designs of these products are too. A product like MMO may be too volatile for a finished PCMO, or may be too costly to add to a fuel when there is no spec for it. When these sorts of things are the case, what happens?

IIRC, MMO calls for use only in the last 500 mi of an OCI. Ever think that there might be a reason behind that which would prevent an oil company from using it in their oils?

 

[PT1]

Originally Posted By: bangtango
Guys-
I am AMAZED at the questions people post (no offense to previous posting) on the infamous MMO. Do people really think this stuff is bottled at the fountain of youth? The constant stream of questions about this product mixed with something else perplexes me. If this oil additive was so good and if it could be mixed with another product to make a 'magic elixir' of some type, why would the company not make these mixes available? This stuff is just a basic additive that has been around forever, and if the stuff on this forum is any indicator, it will be around for another 100 years. How about we just do good basic oil changes, and focus on premium syn oil changes with a quality filter? If you factored in the costs of the mystery additives, you could purchase good high grade syn oil and avoid some of these miracles in a bottle.
My 2 cents.


+1 My 2 cents as well. MMO is a solvent cleaner & 5w oil. Good for winterizing engines or cleaning sticky lifters. Putting it in an engine that has no apparent problems is totally ridiculous and will do more harm than good IMO. But there are a lot of MMO kool-aid drinkers on here.

 

[HyperJinx]

What a boring world we would live in if people never considered anything for themselves and just followed around what everyone else does. No one ever told me to put a slice of pineapple on a pb&j sandwich but it did.

I dont think anyone wants to replace good oil and filters with some mmo mix. I think its more about people wanting to share in the experience of others who share the same interests.

I use mmo for fuel system cleaning and cylinder fogging. I dont care to mix it with anything other than gas but I do like to hear from others who have different ideas.

If it were not for people who consider solutions (out side the box) we would never have gotten such good penetrating oils.

 

[Capa]

I personally think it is ridiculous and an absolute waste of money for those who use it at every fill-up. Basically all oil and all gasoline has additives. Using MMO once or twice a year may not be a bad idea, but every fill-up or every other???

 

[cjhepburn]

We unseized a 1987 Escort engine with MMO. We took the plugs out and squirted it in. Then with a breaker bar we levered it back and forth until it spun freely. Plugs back in, a couple turns of the key and it sprang back to life. First there was some sputtering but after a few minutes it ran smooth.
My friend ran that car for about another 15k and then sold it.
Maybe it was the MMO or maybe any oil would have worked.

 

[bepperb]

While I find no use for it, I find the constant references to it here entertaining. I'm sure the Marvel family is laughing all the way to the bank.

 

[jstutz]

Originally Posted By: HyperJinx
No one ever told me to put a slice of pineapple on a pb&j sandwich but it did.



That is definitely outside the box.

 

[Trav]

In the ideal world the car is bought new,has its oil changed on a regular basis with high grade oil and they lived happily ever after.
The real world is a little different..
Car bought used,sketchy OCI of unknown quality,ticking a little on older cars seems to be the norm.
In these cases sometimes these flushes and solvents really help to get things unstuck.

As far as brands go i have no idea,i suppose whatever gives the desired result is a good one.As far as cold weather start up goes a 5w-20 like motorcraft blend for under $12 a gal would probably have a similar result as MMO in a 5w-30.

 

[ARB1977]

Originally Posted By: bangtango
Guys-
I am AMAZED at the questions people post (no offense to previous posting) on the infamous MMO. Do people really think this stuff is bottled at the fountain of youth? The constant stream of questions about this product mixed with something else perplexes me. If this oil additive was so good and if it could be mixed with another product to make a 'magic elixir' of some type, why would the company not make these mixes available? This stuff is just a basic additive that has been around forever, and if the stuff on this forum is any indicator, it will be around for another 100 years. How about we just do good basic oil changes, and focus on premium syn oil changes with a quality filter? If you factored in the costs of the mystery additives, you could purchase good high grade syn oil and avoid some of these miracles in a bottle.
My 2 cents.

Like everthing else out there somethings can always be improved. MMO has done better things to some engines than just top quality synthetics out there.

What about fuel additives? Techron fuel system cleaner has always givin me great results, eventhough i use Chevron fuel everytime i fill up.

 

[GROUCHO MARX]

I like bananas.

 

[ZGRider]

MMO was designed for Model-T engines, that is all we need to know.

If you think that engines haven't improved beyond Model-T technology, I have some beachfront property in AZ that I would like to sell you.

The whole purpose of this site is to "debunk" all the urban legends about oil and related products. This will not happen as long as posters keep sharing their "home-brewed" snake-oil recipes.

I agree, the oil/gas companies are putting in all the additives you need to help your vehicle perform at peak efficiency.

The only question is which brand is right for you. I could put WD-40 in my gas or oil and I may think that it is doing some good, but obviously that is not it's purpose.

You can fool all the people some of the time, and some of the people all the time, but you can't fool.........

 

[ZGRider]

Originally Posted By: ARB1977
Originally Posted By: bangtango
Guys-
I am AMAZED at the questions people post (no offense to previous posting) on the infamous MMO. Do people really think this stuff is bottled at the fountain of youth? The constant stream of questions about this product mixed with something else perplexes me. If this oil additive was so good and if it could be mixed with another product to make a 'magic elixir' of some type, why would the company not make these mixes available? This stuff is just a basic additive that has been around forever, and if the stuff on this forum is any indicator, it will be around for another 100 years. How about we just do good basic oil changes, and focus on premium syn oil changes with a quality filter? If you factored in the costs of the mystery additives, you could purchase good high grade syn oil and avoid some of these miracles in a bottle.
My 2 cents.

Like everthing else out there somethings can always be improved. MMO has done better things to some engines than just top quality synthetics out there.

What about fuel additives? Techron fuel system cleaner has always givin me great results, eventhough i use Chevron fuel everytime i fill up.


Oh yeah, most gasoline comes from the same refiners and there really isn't any difference from Shell or Chevron. Many times it comes from the same refinery. Oh, they SAY it's different.......

 

[mechtech2]

MMO in the fuel is a great idea at EVERY fill up [or maybe some proper 2 stroke oil]. Keep it light, at 3-4 ounces/10 gal fuel. Costs are minimal, over a year.
The reason I and others do this is primarily for the extra lubrication.
Gas has alcohol in it, and that wears the fuel pump and other parts faster than pure gas. This is not to say that pure gas is to be totally trusted, however. I'd still use MM) with pure gas.
It is also a benefit that MMO also cleans and keeps things clean in the fuel system, intake valves, and combustion chamber.
Not perfect, but better than it was.
Don't count on it, but many get a bit better fuel economy when using MMO.

MMO in the crankcase? It is used mostly as a cleaner - I'm concerned about the rings/lands primarily. But it helps with other parts. I wouldn't use it all the time, but I am using it now in winter - it does thin any oil [MMO is about 2.6 cst].

MMO has been used for about 80 years in automotive and aircraft engines. In the fuel and in the crankcase. Engines are not blowing up, but are running better, and lasting longer.

 

[ZGRider]

Originally Posted By: cjhepburn
We unseized a 1987 Escort engine with MMO. We took the plugs out and squirted it in. Then with a breaker bar we levered it back and forth until it spun freely. Plugs back in, a couple turns of the key and it sprang back to life. First there was some sputtering but after a few minutes it ran smooth.
My friend ran that car for about another 15k and then sold it.
Maybe it was the MMO or maybe any oil would have worked.


So, are you saying that you should continue to drive that Escort after that? Do you know how damaged the cylinder walls/pistons are after seizing an engine? That procedure is to get a vehicle to a service center, not to continue to drive it. MMO was to be an upper cylinder lubricant (valves) not WD-40.