Marques reviews a Chinese EV

[jghall00]

Marques Brownlee posted a review of the Xiaomi SU7. This is the same vehicle from the Chinese phone brand that Jim Farley was very complimentary towards. I guess the takeaway is that there's a good reason Chinese automotive tariffs are so high. Based on the review of this vehicle, the U.S. auto industry would be decimated if China was allowed entry into the market without substantial tariffs. I'd probably buy a YU7 (SUV version) tomorrow if it was sold in the U.S.

 

[jghall00]

Here's a writeup on Xiaomi's launch of the YU7. Sad we can't have nice things.

 

[edyvw]

Do seats still break during accident?

 

[JavierH19]

Thank god we don't have that chinese garbage on our roads. How did brembo even allow their name onto that garbage. That ruins the brands credibility to me.

https://www.theautopian.com/how-did...end-up-with-smaller-brakes-than-a-honda-cr-v/

 

[Vercingetorix]

I don’t actively look for Chinese EV reviews, but the few I read out of Europe kinda says they suck.

 

[fdcg27]

Bring this car into compliance with US and EU safety standards and let the marketplace decide, as so many are so fond of saying.
This car does sound very enticing, but we won't really know until early adopters have a shot at buying one to use right here in our own country.
Much as I hate giving China credit for producing anything decent using their own tech, maybe they are now at that point?

 

[edyvw]

Bring this car into compliance with US and EU safety standards and let the marketplace decide, as so many are so fond of saying.
This car does sound very enticing, but we won't really know until early adopters have a shot at buying one to use right here in our own country.
Much as I hate giving China credit for producing anything decent using their own tech, maybe they are now at that point?

Piece of cake.

 

[Torrid]

Thank god we don't have that chinese garbage on our roads. How did brembo even allow their name onto that garbage. That ruins the brands credibility to me.

https://www.theautopian.com/how-did...end-up-with-smaller-brakes-than-a-honda-cr-v/

So China = crap? I don't think I follow. Sure I do want and have bought US made vehicles, but that doesn't mean this isn't a quality product just because it's from China.

 

[edyvw]

Thank god we don't have that chinese garbage on our roads. How did brembo even allow their name onto that garbage. That ruins the brands credibility to me.

https://www.theautopian.com/how-did...end-up-with-smaller-brakes-than-a-honda-cr-v/

Brembo makes calipers. Most cars use different pad manufacturer.
This is huge business for Brembo. On that note, not fitting car with track/race pads for track purposes is insane. That is on these amateurs who drove vehicle.

Xiaomi amateurism shows here too. They are on pint with size. Obvious problem is size. They put smaller rotor to shed unsprung weight and improve range. Lighter brake rotors, tires, wheels are best way to improve performance. When people talk range they should pay attention to these things.
Brembo calipers are also tricky on track. One needs really good cooling from cooling ducts to dissipate heat. They tend to retain a lot of heat. Brembo makes uniquely designed calipers for BMW precisely bcs. this reason.

Xiaomi is in infancy. Tesla is still struggling with a lot of beginner mistakes, let alone these guys. Add to that that China doesn’t have deeply rooted car culture.
What can help them? Continuously rising car prices in he west and almost non existent raise in paychecks. People will seek alternative, regardless of those brakes or worse, those seats that broke during that crash.

 

[buster]

I think the idea that China can't make anything of high quality is a dated myth. With that said, support Tesla instead.

I'd like to see the Ford CEO step up instead of constantly whing about China's EV pace.

 

[jghall00]

I think the idea that China can't make anything of high quality is a dated myth. With that said, support Tesla instead.

I'd like to see the Ford CEO step up instead of constantly whing about China's EV pace.

Farley seems like he's under no delusions about the threat that China poses. The new T3 platform is designed to produce something more affordable using a different process. But the domestics are losing tons of market share in overseas markets, like Latin America and Southeast Asia.

 

[OVERKILL]

Thank god we don't have that chinese garbage on our roads. How did brembo even allow their name onto that garbage. That ruins the brands credibility to me.

https://www.theautopian.com/how-did...end-up-with-smaller-brakes-than-a-honda-cr-v/

Are we sure they are actually real Brembo?

 

[jghall00]

Are we sure they are actually real Brembo?

Could be Bremmbbo?

 

[Owen Lucas]

If the big 3 can't build or service reliable EV, even with the help of Honda and Toyota. I doubt China will get it right, initially at least.

 

[OFFRD]

Let's pretend that all EVs currently on sale in the U.S. suddenly had their MSRP slashed by 50%. Would they then sell as fast as automakers could build them? Or would U.S. consumers still prefer gasoline and diesel, particularly with trucks?

I tend to believe the latter is true.

 

[jghall00]

Let's pretend that all EVs currently on sale in the U.S. suddenly had their MSRP slashed by 50%. Would they then sell as fast as automakers could build them? Or would U.S. consumers still prefer gasoline and diesel, particularly with trucks?

I tend to believe the latter is true.

Demand for all vehicles would increase, but I think EV demand would increase more. My basis for that is that many EVs are still more expensive than ICE competitors, which was the reason for the $7,500 tax credit. They're currently perceived by many as premium products with the pricing to match. If the prices were slashed, I think more consumers would be willing to make the leap, even if ICE prices were cut by the same percentage.

 

[Brons2]

like Latin America and Southeast Asia.

Being a person that visits Brazil frequently to visit my in-laws, I can tell you that the Chinese have taken over several factories that used to be owned by US automakers, most notably Ford. The fact that the cars are assembled locally is featured prominently in their local market advertising.

The Chinese are playing the long game while we are chasing quarterly returns. The US manufacturing response to a few unprofitable quarters abroad seems to be to just sell off the entire operation rather than fix the problems. Others are happy to step into the vacuum. It's sad.

 

[jghall00]

The Chinese are playing the long game while we are chasing quarterly returns. The US manufacturing response to a few unprofitable quarters abroad seems to be to just sell off the entire operation rather than fix the problems. Others are happy to step into the vacuum. It's sad.

This is probably the biggest knock on the U.S. economic system. It disincentives long-term investment in favor of short-term returns, because execs are frequently compensated based on short term metrics. The Chinese, in contrast, can take a much longer term view because they get gov't support and the financial system is structured to reward investment instead of consumption. The downside is a lot of non-productive capital because they tend to over invest in gov't favored sectors. Need to strike a balance for long-term success.

 

[SC Maintenance]

I am fine with China making EV's - but $42K, not having to make any payroll taxes, follow any environmental laws, and being subsidized by the Chinese government doesn't sound that impressive actually - if it actually compares to a Model 3 performance which is 12K more? I will let others decide that. 500HP is of no use to me unless I can tow something with it.

I would like to see some reviews of the everyman Chinese EV's, like the BYD Song Plus which apparently sells for the equivalent of $21K.

 

[Torrid]

I am fine with China making EV's - but $42K, not having to make any payroll taxes, follow any environmental laws, and being subsidized by the Chinese government doesn't sound that impressive actually - if it actually compares to a Model 3 performance which is 12K more? I will let others decide that. 500HP is of no use to me unless I can tow something with it.

I would like to see some reviews of the everyman Chinese EV's, like the BYD Song Plus which apparently sells for the equivalent of $21K.

I'd still rather have any Tesla model over this just over manufacturing location alone. Performance wise it's right up my alley and exactly why I bought a Model Y Performance. I just can't see buying one no matter how great it is when there's an American company to support assembled by Americans. That's no hate directed at a Chinese product, it's just being a responsible consumer supporting those that will spend their money in the US just as I do. I really like the product Tesla makes so that also comes into play.