M1 EP 15W-50 Goes Group III

[Oil Changer]

Again I would like to personally thank you Tom. Your service is priceless - especially volunteering the information you gain from work and giving it to us knuckleheads. If your test results of the 5W30 come back not showing PAO (and lots of it) I will never use M1 again as I would feel greatly deceived. Now if I can talk you into mixing me up some wicked all PAO/POE oils for my autos I'd be real interested! How 'bout it?

 

[buster]

He tested the M1 5w-30 EP and it was majority PAO with some AN and POE.

 

[D Bone]

Oh no, now who are all of the Mobil1-ites going to bash about calling a group III oil a "Full Synthetic"??

They can't bash Castrol, Valvoline or Pennzoil anymore, because they're one of them now.

 

[Bryanccfshr]

I really fail to see what the big hang up is about having to have PAO base stock.
If more M1 formulations are discovered to be non PAO but it has been working well for you are you going to ditch the brand? Or perhaps the performance has been marginal and this will be enough excuse to rescind the stand for Mobils moral superiority and therefore some individuals loyal use of the product?? WHat if M1 non EP is parrell to Amsoil's XL line??

Interesting developments and I am most interested in the reactions of individuals if more of this type of news is revealed.

 

[Roy Gutfinski]

Given the general characteristics of Group III vs. Group IV base stocks, I am not too surprised that the heavier viscosity range synthetic oils are primarily Group III. During past summer driving seasons I ran Mobil 1 15W-50 in both my Volvo 2.3 liter turbos and it did an outstanding job of keeping those turbo bearings lubricated in very hot conditions even after the engine was shut down and the turbos spooled down without oil circulation. If it does the job and meets the specs I am not too concerned about the actual base stocks used.

 

[427Z06]

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Is the M1 15W-50 EP still labeled as a "fully synthetic" oil?

EDIT: I just checked the website:

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Mobil 1 Extended Performance
You've never seen an oil like this before. Mobil 1® Extended Performance is a high-endurance motor oil designed for longer service intervals. It is a fully synthetic formulation that helps extend engine life, reduce oil breakdown and minimize engine wear -- all while helping to keep your engine clean. Improvements that add up to exceptional protection for 15,000 miles. Guaranteed.

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"fully synthetic formulation"

Oh well.

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Yeah...but who was first to corrupt the gene pool.

In any event, EM now has to figure out a way to pay for Lee Raymond's 400 million dollar retirement package.

 

[buster]

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In any event, EM now has to figure out a way to pay for Lee Raymond's 400 million dollar retirement package

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My thoughts exactly.....

 

[moribundman]

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Yeah...but who was first to corrupt the gene pool.

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Speaking of the devil, I mean Castrol, I went back to Castrol 5W-50, if you call topping off "going back." I want to make it to 8,000 miles on the current fill, and so far topping off with the 5W-50 has reduced consumption a little.

I have an infernal but interesting mix in the sump right now. Not sure if I should invest in a UOA at the end of the 8k miles run...

 

[BrianWC]

Wow, this really ruins some peoples' day, I'm sure. Well, since 5W40 RTS shows a good UOA in my engine, I'm sure EP15W50 would do the same. Interesting that they didn't announce this to the press with some sort of hyped announcement ie.. "the ONLY group III base stock good enough for M1."

 

[Cutehumor]

for a second there, I thought the rumors of mobil 1 being group 3 was regulated to the "regular mobil 1" and not mobil 1 EP. anyone know the reasoning why there are two mobil 1's??

 

[JohnBrowning]

IF they have done this and said anyting about it then shame on them!!! So far though this is the only formulation of M1 that has shown any GIII in it so their is still hope.

 

[Ray H]

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for a second there, I thought the rumors of mobil 1 being group 3 was regulated to the "regular mobil 1" and not mobil 1 EP. anyone know the reasoning why there are two mobil 1's??

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Yeah, lemme spell it out for ya': M-O-N-E-Y .

(As far as I'm concerned, rumors of EM going to Group III base stocks are still, er, rumors - which means they may or may not really be true. However, if it's categorically verified by EM to be true [a very big, "if"], look for the lighter viscosity grades - at least inclusive of 10W-30, 5W-30, and 5W-20 - to make the transition, too if they haven't already done so. Since it's obvious that BP Castrol has no trouble selling all the Group III-based Syntec Full Synthetic it can blend and bottle, even stubborn, got-a-burr-up-its-behind EM has to have eventually seen the handwriting on the wall: market realities plus the steadily improved measured performance of very severely hydroprocessed paraffinic base oils equals a marketing bonanza potential.)

 

[Lonnie]

Do you expect these different versions of Mobil 1 to be different in the bottle? It's just marketing. It's probably cheaper to have the same formula for regular M1 and M1EP. Why would they waste their time when the public can't tell one formula from another? They can also change around the formula when the building blocks change availability. They have got more than one fourmula for their API stickers and donuts. What the public dosen't know won't hurt them. What most people know about Mobil 1 is their advertising, not their chemistry.

 

[tripleM]

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And the reslts???

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Get out from under that chair, the answer in in the opening post.

 

[toocrazy2yoo]

Well, if they're perpetrating the fraud, they should be made to admit it. The extra money was for the full syn. Bait and switch shouldn't have been permitted. Me, I refuse, flat out REFUSE to pay GroupIII "Synthetic" providers anything but the back of my hand. GroupIII PP for $5.79? Castrol "SYN"tec for $5.99? Valvoline for the same as the Castrol? And Mobil1 for on up to $7.99/Quart in my area? Don't think so..

If there's a giveaway of synthetic for dino prices, such as the Home Depot scores of the past summer and beyond, I'm on it. I WAS on it. I have 40 quarts of pre-GroupIII PP for my trouble, a lot of it free, but most for under 2.50/Qt. Even now, Pennzoil and Quaker State dino, Home depot, 5W20SM, .87 on up to $1.37/quart. High Mileage in SL 10W30 is marked down here for .59 cents! Do the math, less than $3 to $6.00 for an OCI which is clearly good for 4-5K OCI.

But when I can buy premium Dino like Havoline for an entire 4 quart OCI for less than the cost of a single quart of Mobil1, or 1 1/2 Quarts of fraudulently labled GroupIII ersatz-fake-phony balony overpriced Dino "synthetic", I'm doing the dino to a 5K oci.

I don't care if the GroupIII performs or not, it's a price-benefit ripoff. Imagine that. 25-32 dollars for 1 4 quart DIY OCI, plus filter. And they're gonna go GroupIII?

I hate rewarding these crooks..

Am I being unreasonable?

 

[oilyriser]

It didn't really make sense to have a 15w-xx oil with a -50 degree pour point anyways... If I ever see it on sale for $4/ L, I might try it in my lawnmower.

 

[Rand]

Wow you should road trip to ohio..
PP and quakerstate are 4/qt at walmart
castrol is 21/5qt (still 5.55/qt)
both are considerably cheaper than m1 at 6/qt

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Well, if they're perpetrating the fraud, they should be made to admit it. The extra money was for the full syn. Bait and switch shouldn't have been permitted. Me, I refuse, flat out REFUSE to pay GroupIII "Synthetic" providers anything but the back of my hand. GroupIII PP for $5.79? Castrol "SYN"tec for $5.99? Valvoline for the same as the Castrol? And Mobil1 for on up to $7.99/Quart in my area? Don't think so..

If there's a giveaway of synthetic for dino prices, such as the Home Depot scores of the past summer and beyond, I'm on it. I WAS on it. I have 40 quarts of pre-GroupIII PP for my trouble, a lot of it free, but most for under 2.50/Qt. Even now, Pennzoil and Quaker State dino, Home depot, 5W20SM, .87 on up to $1.37/quart. High Mileage in SL 10W30 is marked down here for .59 cents! Do the math, less than $3 to $6.00 for an OCI which is clearly good for 4-5K OCI.

But when I can buy premium Dino like Havoline for an entire 4 quart OCI for less than the cost of a single quart of Mobil1, or 1 1/2 Quarts of fraudulently labled GroupIII ersatz-fake-phony balony overpriced Dino "synthetic", I'm doing the dino to a 5K oci.

I don't care if the GroupIII performs or not, it's a price-benefit ripoff. Imagine that. 25-32 dollars for 1 4 quart DIY OCI, plus filter. And they're gonna go GroupIII?

I hate rewarding these crooks..

Am I being unreasonable?

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[Auto-Union]

Nobody really mentioned in the dino vs synth threads that when buying synth, are you really getting something special? Yeah, I guess most people assumend that debate was actually between PAO and dino, but assume not, we must. (my Yoda impression)

 

[Bryanccfshr]

The Term "you get what you pay for" is possibly very wrong.

 

[Blue99]

At this particular date, it is almost pointless to get caught up in the synthetic vs. dino/mineral oil debate, as GTL base oils are slated for late 2009.

The technical properties advantage of a PAO based formulation will be greatly reduced.

What will be interesting, is how the arguement will unfold - that the waxy by-product feedstock for GTL oils, from syn-fuel production, produces only high VI index dino oil & not a fully synthetic base oil.

In other words -