M1 EP 10W30 9226 oci 4cyl 97 Toyota Camry 208,000

[Spyder7]

Originally Posted By: Carzzz
Originally Posted By: cool_breeze
great....

can you point me in the direction of the rod problem


A rod gets loose and destroys the engine block. It is not uncommon for the 5S engine, and i know it happens to quite a few people.
I had a 98 camry I4, and it threw a rod before it hits 100,000 miles(under 160,000km) mark . That thing is seriously underpower. You cannot feel anything below 3500rpm
Is it oil problem or toyota problem?
That's one of the reasons I joined BITOG.


That sounds like an oil problem. Either the car having too many close calls with almost no oil in the pan, or actually hitting the point where its dry.

Same thing happened to my last car (a Protege). No fault of the car or its design. I punctured the oil pan, and the service station that replaced it used the wrong gaskets. They "fixed it" by replacing one, but left the top gasket on while assuring me the problem was corrected. A few days later, while doing 65 mph on the TCH, the engine threw a rod and blew a second after the oil light came on. Pan was bone dry.

Edit: too many people go way too long between checking their oil levels imho. The "check every fill up" thing isn't just a make work project thought up by the auto maker. Its sound common sense that is in short supply these days. I check mine more frequently, but that's partly because I'm still paying off the Protege so I have good reason to be a little OCD about oil.

-Spyder

 

[Carzzz]

To Spyder7:
In my case, my camry did not starve for oil. There was a huge puddle after math. It is more of the toyota issue, IMO. I was in reading the current gen corolla forum and two members experience "loose" rod, and luckily the rod did not destroyed the engine block. These thing occurs more often in high rpm, which is 4k+

 

[teddyboy]

We have two Camry's of the 97-01 vintage, a 97 and a 98. One has just over 200k, the other just under. Both cars are doing well and I would drive either cross country on a moments notice. Previously we owned a 99 Taurus. It coughed up the transmission around 115k despite obsessively good care. Admitedly my sample size is minutely small, but I know which of these cars better served our needs.

 

[Bill in Utah]

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[addyguy]

Toyota 4 and 6-cylinder engines of this vintage are hard on oil, period. These are good results considering. Getting 10k out of any oil in this engine is tough.

 

[Spyder7]

Originally Posted By: addyguy
Toyota 4 and 6-cylinder engines of this vintage are hard on oil, period. These are good results considering. Getting 10k out of any oil in this engine is tough.


+1. Its a good goal, but may not be attainable. I think good oil, good filter, and a 7,500 mile OCI (on a clean engine, so that excludes mine for now) = good enough imho.

-Spyder

 

[teddyboy]

addguy, your post just validates my decision to switch to H1 HM and do 7500 ocis. I was planning to go 10k but changed early to better suit my schedule. I'm glad I did now because the TBN had fallen below 1.0 by 9200 miles. Would another 800 or so have damaged the engine? Maybe not, but I feel better being conservative. The 7500 oci is up from the 5k I was originally using. Thanks again to BITOG informing me that 5k with syn was way too often.

 

[Spyder7]

I likewise feel more comfortable changing early than pushing the oil too hard. Some say that's a waste of good syn. My thoughts are I'd rather pamper the engine by using good oil and changing it a little more frequently, and "waste" good syn in doing so, than even risk stressing the engine by pushing the oil too hard. Oil, including good syn, is lot cheaper than the engine it goes into.

And when you take that big picture view, the few bucks "saved" between doing the 10K OCI vs the 7,500K OCI, is dubious economics. Though in fairness to the guys who are pulling off 10-15K OCIs, with lots of left over TBN, nothing wrong with that either. I think your choice is the right one in this particular case though.

-Spyder

 

[FZ1]

I agree. The "correct" oci is unique for each poster. Mine is 6-7 months at 4200-4500,Spring and Fall,with M1 filter and M1 EP bought on sale at AZ. No uoa's. I know,I know. 108k,engine runs like new.

 

[5sfe91]

I think you're engine is in good shape with M1 HM, i posted some pictures of my Celica with the 2.2 and 254k miles of nothing but dino oil. I do 4-6k OCI and its not a factory clean engine but its also not a sludge monster. Under valve cover pictures and its a solid motor no leaks, no consumption, and its been pushed past 4k rpm many times and for extended periods when on road trips.

 

[CBR.worm]

Yeah, there may be a few bad examples, but late 90's four cylinder camry's are the typical family car where I work (Melbourne, FL). I don't think any of them have less than 100K and I know two close friends are at 180k and close to 300k. The 300k guy had a transmission failure (and got it rebuilt against my recommendation), but none of them have had engine problems or engine oil leaks that I know of. IAC valve on one. PS leaks on the 300K one. The guy with 300K drives like an idiot and still it keeps running. One of his pedals is always to the floor, I drive spiritedly, he makes me ill.

I can only imagine how many zillions of them were produced. The overall failure rate seems very low.

 

[Cutehumor]

I wonder how any of these engines that run 25k oci on amsoil ever make it!

 

[teddyboy]

Had a student in my office today who comes from a very mechanical background. He has performed TBN and TAN analyses many time. I shared with him the drop in TBN from my oil change at 7700 to 9300 (2.5 to .9). He considered such a big drop over 1600 miles to be very odd and asked if there was anything unusual about the sample. I shared the fact that the sample was collected by allowing the oil to drip into the bottle before changing and he speculated that this might explain the big drop in TBN. What do you guys think?

 

[FZ1]

Originally Posted By: shpankey
So it's below their usual cut off TBN of 1.0 and they say to go 800 more miles? Man, I think 9k is about all I'd go on that for me. I'd like a tad bit of cushion. Pretty nice report though man. Don't get down about the TBN.
Agree. That's a nice run for 9k. Maybe the tbn was incorrect. I would stay at 9k max.