I've just not had enough noticeable effect from the MMO. I'm going to stick with my TC-W3.
Luvin' the MMO
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I think I'm going to join you on the TC-W3 and get some Pennzoil Ester Based Synthetic 2-stroke additive to try as my UCL.
I think this with some Amsoil PI throughout the year will keep my fuel system/engine clean and lubricated and my emission components safe in the process.
I think this with some Amsoil PI throughout the year will keep my fuel system/engine clean and lubricated and my emission components safe in the process.
There's Seafoam from time to time.
Yeah but I need an excuse to get my monies worth out of my Amsoil PC membership.
Well, glad I waited. Im curious about Lucas now, as an UCL. Im not worried about cleaning, because I use a bottle of Techron at every change, and we all know that stuff is good.
WHat the [censored] is TCW3? And why would you use 2 stroke stuff as a UCL.
WHat the [censored] is TCW3? And why would you use 2 stroke stuff as a UCL.
TC-W3 is a standard for 2-stroke oils. Using a TC-W3 oil will ensure that that the 2-stroke oil will lubricate your fuel system and upper cylinder areas without leaving any deposits. It also ensures that there is no ash content in the oil so it doesn't harm your emission system.
Wow, weird. Did Terry comments on the pros vs cons of UCL's. Im just wondering if its even needed, because I could care less is my motor ran a little more harsh.
Im wondering if I should choose a TC-W3 over Lucas, and what the dosage rate should be.
Im wondering if I should choose a TC-W3 over Lucas, and what the dosage rate should be.
I was looking for input on the Amsoil Injector I posted above... I think the dosage most on the board are running is 400-500:1 ratio of TC-W3 to fuel.
Terry likes UCL's it would seem and from my UOA's it seems to decrease wear metals so....
Terry likes UCL's it would seem and from my UOA's it seems to decrease wear metals so....
Anyone interested in spending dough on a TCW3 and Lucas VOA??
So TCW3 is common for UCL? I guess I missed that boat.
Originally Posted By: StevieC
I was looking for input on the Amsoil Injector I posted above... I think the dosage most on the board are running is 400-500:1 ratio of TC-W3 to fuel.
Terry likes UCL's it would seem and from my UOA's it seems to decrease wear metals so....
So I guess the ratio is about the same, 3-4 oz's per 10 gallons.
Originally Posted By: StevieC
I was looking for input on the Amsoil Injector I posted above... I think the dosage most on the board are running is 400-500:1 ratio of TC-W3 to fuel.
Terry likes UCL's it would seem and from my UOA's it seems to decrease wear metals so....
So I guess the ratio is about the same, 3-4 oz's per 10 gallons.
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TC-W3 is a standard of 2-stroke oils and it's for lubricating 2-stroke engines. People on this board are using it as a UCL with good results.
That's a bummer, oh well I'm gonna use up the quart that I have and either try TC-W3 or go back to Lucas UCL.
At least TC-W3 price is comparable to US so we don't get ripped off (as much).
At least TC-W3 price is comparable to US so we don't get ripped off (as much).
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Yeah it is a bummer... I feel bad, I got everyone's hopes up high with this thread and then learned about the contents.
I think TC-W3 would be better, as a VOA of Lucas UCL showed it nothing more than light oils and a bit of calcium. Nothing to write home about.
At least the TC-W3 oils have additives in them that help clean the combustion chambers.
I think TC-W3 would be better, as a VOA of Lucas UCL showed it nothing more than light oils and a bit of calcium. Nothing to write home about.
At least the TC-W3 oils have additives in them that help clean the combustion chambers.
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PM,
I can't post it because I don't own the rights to it. I paid into it with a bunch of other members on Dyson's private "members only" blog and I'm not sure I'm allowed to share those results.
This is why I didn't post specifics, that and because I don't want to start a war on BITOG.
I will ask Terry for permission and if he says it's OK I will post it. If not then you will have to become a member to see it on his blog along with some other great stuff.
Steve
Steve, I have a problem, since seeing is believing, if you cannot post the UOA , we go by facts on here. Demarpaint has been using MMO for over 25 years and never had a problem with a catylytic converter, or replaced anything in his fuel system. If MMO was destroying catylytic converters we would be hearing about it. It sounds fishy that you cannot post your UOA, I mean you spent $100.00 for it, everyone posts Blackstone reports on here in the Used Oil Analysis Section. I cannot believe anything until I see a UOA. I remember someone sending Terry Dyson an oil sample and did not mention MMO and the oil analysis came cack great. I have a hard time believing a guy who started pushing some oil called Biosyn. Ask Terry or anyone if they can find any posts or documentation that MMO hurts Catylytic Converters, its an emmissions device, if MMO hurt it then the government and EPA would be all over MMO.
PM,
I can't post it because I don't own the rights to it. I paid into it with a bunch of other members on Dyson's private "members only" blog and I'm not sure I'm allowed to share those results.
This is why I didn't post specifics, that and because I don't want to start a war on BITOG.
I will ask Terry for permission and if he says it's OK I will post it. If not then you will have to become a member to see it on his blog along with some other great stuff.
Steve
Steve, I have a problem, since seeing is believing, if you cannot post the UOA , we go by facts on here. Demarpaint has been using MMO for over 25 years and never had a problem with a catylytic converter, or replaced anything in his fuel system. If MMO was destroying catylytic converters we would be hearing about it. It sounds fishy that you cannot post your UOA, I mean you spent $100.00 for it, everyone posts Blackstone reports on here in the Used Oil Analysis Section. I cannot believe anything until I see a UOA. I remember someone sending Terry Dyson an oil sample and did not mention MMO and the oil analysis came cack great. I have a hard time believing a guy who started pushing some oil called Biosyn. Ask Terry or anyone if they can find any posts or documentation that MMO hurts Catylytic Converters, its an emmissions device, if MMO hurt it then the government and EPA would be all over MMO.
I think you are overreacting, and I doubt the EPA and/or US gov't really gives a [censored].
Many things can be bad on a converter, but it can take a long time. The big thing here, is if it is bad, no matter how long of term, Ill pass.
I've done a lot of reading on the TC-W3 this AM, and it sounds like the best deal mixed at 1oz/5 gal's.
Many things can be bad on a converter, but it can take a long time. The big thing here, is if it is bad, no matter how long of term, Ill pass.
I've done a lot of reading on the TC-W3 this AM, and it sounds like the best deal mixed at 1oz/5 gal's.
Here is a quote from Molakule, back in Jan of 2008:
Originally Posted By: MolaKule
Calm down. To what myth are you referring? Did you read something on another thread and have an argument going?
Much depends on how much you add.
Most 2-cycle oils would simply add a touch of upper cylinder lubrication to the fuel. A synthetic 2-cycle oil usually has a lower ash AW additive, whereas the cheaper OTS 2-cycle oils have a higher level of ash content.
In cold weather, I would not add anything but anti-gel since 2-cycle oil might raise the gel temp of the fuel.
I think the big deal here is the ash. The TC-W3 removes the ash issue, and maybe ash is what the prob. with MMO is. Other good thing about 2 cycle is it has AW additives, from what Ive read, the MMO and Lucas are lacking here too. They are mainly just a lightweight oil, and the MMO has some cleaners in it.
I think you run something to UCL, and then use a good PEA cleaner every time you change the oil.
Originally Posted By: MolaKule
Calm down. To what myth are you referring? Did you read something on another thread and have an argument going?
Much depends on how much you add.
Most 2-cycle oils would simply add a touch of upper cylinder lubrication to the fuel. A synthetic 2-cycle oil usually has a lower ash AW additive, whereas the cheaper OTS 2-cycle oils have a higher level of ash content.
In cold weather, I would not add anything but anti-gel since 2-cycle oil might raise the gel temp of the fuel.
I think the big deal here is the ash. The TC-W3 removes the ash issue, and maybe ash is what the prob. with MMO is. Other good thing about 2 cycle is it has AW additives, from what Ive read, the MMO and Lucas are lacking here too. They are mainly just a lightweight oil, and the MMO has some cleaners in it.
I think you run something to UCL, and then use a good PEA cleaner every time you change the oil.
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I have to agree with c3po on this one. In my opinion a VOA doesn't mean squat or any analysis. Neither one can tell you what actually happens when it runs through a engine. It could have all the cleaners in the world but that doesn't mean it's the best. Reminds me of show that had on DNA analysis the other day...
Yeah but then why are they decreasing chemicals in engines oils because of harmful catlytic effects?
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