Lubro-Moly 0w40 w/LC, 97 Neon, 9900 miles

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Neon Oil analysis Lubro Moly 0w40 SJ w/Lube Control; 5/29/04 Car: ‘97 Dodge Neon 2.0 L DOHC Mtx As I posted back in January, I forgot to take a sample of the previous drain, which was also Lubro Moly 0w40 SJ, run for ~5700 miles (from 147,006 to 152,723 miles). That should make this sample reliable & representative for this oil in my car. Lube Control used at ~8 oz at fill, ~2 oz every 1000-1300 miles thereafter. Last dose of LC added ~700 miles before drain. Silicon about the same per 1000 miles as the last two sampled oil changes BUT: Iron & copper are up - see my conclusion below. Filled: 3 Jan 04; 152,723 miles Drained: 8 May 04; 162,647 miles Miles on oil; 9,924 Make-up oil added; 22 oz, ~2000 miles before drain & sample Oil filter; AC-Delco UltraGuard Gold UPF-53 Air Filter: Paper Fram CA-3660; installed at 147,006 miles, untouched since This , compared with the previous two samples of BobZoil (Schaeffer Supreme 7000 10w30 SL). Also note that on BobZoil runs, a K&N air filter was used. LC used in all of these intervals. Analysis by Schaeffer Lab. Posted as: LubroMoly; BobZoil; BobZoil Odometer: 162,647; 147,006; 131,824 Miles on oil; 9,924; 15,182; 9,312 Copper: 10; 7; 6 Iron: 10; 4; 5 Chromium: 1; 0; 0 Aluminum: 3; 1; 3 Lead: 1; 0; 1 Moly: 7; 94; 120 Phosphorus: 1339; 809; 1175 Zinc: 1568; 959; 1092 Magnesium: 794; 9; 14 Calcium: 2970; 1882; 2156 Sodium & Potassium: Not tested % Antifreeze: all tested 0 Fuel dilution: All tested none % H2O: All at .0 Viscosity: 11.61; 11.03; 10.59 SAE/ISO: all 30W Sulfur (%)r: 12; 18; 14 Oxidation (%): 19; 21; 11 Nitration (%): 23; 21; 10 My admittedly non-expert conclusions: Even though my wear numbers were still good with the LubroMoly, BobZoil is a better choice for my car. Bear in mind that I got this LM oil at a bargain-basement price($2.75/liter shipped), so it was actually a smidgen cheaper than BobZoil. Note that LM sheared from a low end 40W to a 30W, while the BobZoil stayed in grade. I have the LubroMoly 0w40w/LC in my car now; I’ll probably drain it at ~6000 miles, guess what I’ll refill with? (Hint: I still have 6 qts of Bobzoil 5w30 in the carport closet!) I have 2 sealed 5 L jugs of the LM 0w40 left- hmm...My brother might like to have it for his Durango 4.7 L. AIR FILTER: Silicon is so close to previous results with a K&N filter, it looks like a toss-up to me, between paper & K&N on *my* car. This is a surprise to me, your results may vary. Any questions or comments, go for it. BTW: Has Tim stopped advertising on Bitog? I gotta get to Texarkana & buy a coupla cases of BobZoil! [Big Grin]
 
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Originally posted by Stuart Hughes: BTW: Has Tim stopped advertising on Bitog? I gotta get to Texarkana & buy a coupla cases of BobZoil! [Big Grin]
Stuart, Tim decided not to renew his Sponsorship, probably not the volume he desires. I have a new Schaeffer's Sponsor from Michigan that should be on board in a couple weeks and he is willing to ship less that $250 orders. Also if anyone desires to order more $250 or more of Schaeffer's they can contact Bob. He is in the site sponsor section. Remember free shipping on orders over $250. [Off Topic!] Also MyOilShop (RED LINE) did not renew, so if anyone knows of a good Dealer, let us know. Check the Sponsor Page for current BITOG Sponsors.
 

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Originally posted by Patman: Shoulda stuck with Bobzoil! [Smile]
That's exactly what I thought after seeing the report. Sorta feel like I betrayed the little Neon. Ever notice how great minds run in the same gutter? [Big Grin] On the upside, it looks like there's a strong possibility of a Bobzoil/LubroMoly trade/$ale with a fellow BITOG member. [Happy]
 
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My experience with M-1 and Bobzoil (Schaeffers) convinces me it is an outstanding product for the money. I am using it with very good results in two engines and one auto-transmission. It's going to be in the other transmission when I change fluids. I'm also aware there are other excellent lubricants available. I live within 30-35 miles from Bob and I deeply regret he is no longer able to handle orders of less than $250. However, I very well know the products are very excellent ones.
 

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Originally posted by Patman: Are you still thinking of selling the Neon or will you be keeping it now?
It looks like it's just now getting broken in good [Razz]

Patman, with the price of gas & car payments, keeping the Neon looks like a better choice all the time. The front motor mount was torn/broken on one branch of the rubber "V", & I replaced it yesterday. Car feels so much better when driven now, I couldn't believe it! [Big Grin] Looks like it's best to stick with the original plan, which was to keep it for at least 250,000 miles. Gonna have to replace the timing belt in late summer/early fall- but can do it myself in a day or less, & new t-belt, tensioner, & water pump, plus alt & AC belts, plus radiator hoses, plus new temp sending unit(suspect a minor leak there), anti-freeze & thermostat still add up to less than 1 car payment! Motorbike, yes, it does seem to be almost broken in now, at only 164,xxx miles! [Wink] Gotta put it in the body shop Tues morning- some kind soul backed into the trunk lid ~5 wks ago, no note left, nothing. I didn't realize it had been hit & drove it for almost a week(Mon through Fri), just thought the trunk latch had worked loose & needed adjusting. When I got my tools out late Fri evening- [Mad] My cost on the repair- about one car payment(good insurance agent). That really got me to thinking about keeping it, & the new FMM has pretty well salted it away. Now I just gotta get BobZoil back in the crankcase again.
 

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No brainer..Back to the Schaeffer's . You said you have 5W-30 Schaeffer's left over but previously put in the 10W-30?? Where is the silicon values?? Hahahaha LubroMoly= Zero Moly . I remember that from before [Big Grin] [Big Grin] .
 

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Originally posted by Al: No brainer..Back to the Schaeffer's . You said you have 5W-30 Schaeffer's left over but previously put in the 10W-30?? Where is the silicon values?? Hahahaha LubroMoly= Zero Moly . I remember that from before [Big Grin] [Big Grin] .
The last time I bought some BobZoil, I got 11 qts of 5w30(had none of that), & a few qts of 10w30 to add to the shelf. I ran 5 qts of the 5w30 in my mother's Grand Marquis over the winter, just had it changed Sat 5/29, went back w/BobZoil 10w30. I now have ~2/3 qt of 10w30, 6 qts of 5w30, & my deal for a Lubro-Moly/Schaeffer trade/$- well, it hasn't fallen through, but it has been delayed. It's for a good cause- nice for families to be together on holidays. LubroMoly had no Moly Comin' through the grass. And even though it was PAO, BobZoil kicked its ***. [Big Grin]
 
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Stuart, Howya doin? Looks like the Neon is doing great. The secret is really the AC-Delco UltraGuard Gold UPF-53! [Wink] BobZoil is very hard to beat. Take care, Jack
 
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It always takes some time for the wear pattern to stabilize after switching to an oil with a completely different additive chemistry. I wouldn't draw too many conclusions from a single run of the 0w-40. You'd have to run it several times in a row to see the optimum results. The wear rates are certainly fine here in either case....I do think the Schaeffers responds very well to the LC treatments, for reasons I don't fully understand. Tooslick www.lubedealer.com/dixie_synthetics
 
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