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Ravenol failed spectacularly in my 3.5 EcoBoost. Back to back 6k mile UOAs where Ravenol DXG was out of grade with essentially zero fuel dilution. I don’t know where the disconnect is, but considering Ravenol was ~20% more than HPL and delivered absolute 💩 results… they should be ashamed.

On top of that, my 2nd UOA showed that they sent me a 5L package that said it was d1G2 compliant, yet the UOA from that jug clearly showed what was in it was still d1G1… it was quite the hullabaloo if you care to go read that thread. I ditched Ravenol on the spot and haven’t looked back. Zero regrets.
Man I have seen 3.5 and 2.7 ecoboost come in to dealership regularly serviced at 5,000 miles with over 300,000 miles on them using plain ole motorcraft 5w30. The key is just change it at 5,000 miles and no more. It’s that simple.
 
Man I have seen 3.5 and 2.7 ecoboost come in to dealership regularly serviced at 5,000 miles with over 300,000 miles on them using plain ole motorcraft 5w30. The key is just change it at 5,000 miles and no more. It’s that simple.
Member @KJSmith produced a series of fantastic UOAs in his Ford 3.5L V6 twin turbo Ecoboost all on Castrol Magnatec 5W30.
 
Thats so ironic. I was just thinking about how they all look related, because each one has that nail on chalkboard vocal delivery that makes you want to punch them in the throat 😁.
Because I often listen while working and don't actually watch....project farm talks so fast and robotic that I miss the key points. I don't watch his oil videos because the tests aren't really relevant, but other products his comparisons can be useful to me but not in a background setting.
Lake is almost the opposite in the way he speaks. He's less annoying when you're listening and not watching, because you don't miss any of the key points because he makes sure to say them extra loud!
 
There’s definitely some showmanship going on with Lakes channel. I’ve seen him present on other channels (Lubrication Explained) and he was able to present technical information normally. He does know his stuff. I could do without the gimmicky clickbait act. Less informed watchers have a hard time distinguishing fact from show. I’ve had numerous people say Mobil 1 fs 0w40 is junk because of what they watch on Lakes channel. This particular test shows that boutiques can be on a whole different level but for OTS oils Mobil 1 fs 0w40 is hard to beat IMO.
 
So to illustrate my point a bit, here are some comparisons of viewer statistics between LSjr and Lubrication Explained.

Lubrication Explained:
First video/views: July 2021
Subscribers: 20.9k
Total Views: 1.7 million

The Motor Oil Geek:
First video/views: November 2022
Subscribers: 103k
Total views: 8.7 million

So with 16 months less time, LSjr has a channel that is 5x bigger (or more, depending on which metric you want to use) than LE. It’s hard to fault a person from taking advantage of YouTube’s broken algorithm with clickbait titles and thumbnails. Especially when the differences in results are that stark.
 
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Member @KJSmith produced a series of fantastic UOAs in his Ford 3.5L V6 twin turbo Ecoboost all on Castrol Magnatec 5W30.
so here's what I have found regarding UOA's in the real world of dealerships and service. UOA's are not telling a full story. for instance, we have had several customers bing us results of the analysis, but their engine is using oil. what the UOA doesn't tell is the stuck ring situation due to extending oil changes causing the rings to stick. we don't care what oil you run in your vehicle, if its not changed at 5,000 miles its GOING to use oil north of 90,000 miles. I have seen it too much, especially in the import market Nissan, Toyota, Honda. we have replaced several eco boost due to extended oil changes. if you read the severe service and normal service closely and with a fine tooth comb it says if you live in extreme climates hot or cold, driver oil the city, any idling, you fall under the extreme serve ice category with is 5,000 miles or sooner. there maybe 1% of people that fall under the normal service category. I haver a coin right now whom is a broad that has a 2017 Honda accord with a K24, she asked me a few weeks ago about her car that it is burning oil. I asked how many miles she said 110,000. I asked how often you change oil, she said when the oil life monitor displays change oil which she said comes up at 15%. dealership serviced the vehicle. also have an acquaintance, whom has a 2017 f150 coyote. he asked me to come change his transmission fluid and filter he said it has a torque convertor shudder. while I was there doing that he started asking questions about why his truck is burning oil. it has 135,000 miles on it. I asked him if this was the first time he replaced transmission fluid. he said yeah, I laughed and I said I guess you change oil when the oil life monitor tells you as well, he said yeah. I said who changes it. he said Walmart changes the oil with mobil 1 5w20. I told him you waited to long, 5,000 miles and no more. now he has an oil burner at 135,000 miles, and a torque convertor shudder. he needs a new convertor and well the engine is what it is. also working at Toyota with this lovely 10,000 mile oil change intervals. we have the customers who we tell 5,000 miles and they do it, we also have the ones that y'all are trying to get money out of me bc Toyota says 10,000. we tell them to look at the manual at severe service and normal service. well guess what engine is using oil at about 100,000 miles on the Toyotas. its there exact same results stuck rings due to extended drains. its the same ole story with Nissan and Honda. this is real world for several manufactures. this is not speculation. any ford, we did diesel oil at 5,00 miles as well due to the EGR and the dilution for the regions.
 
so here's what I have found regarding UOA's in the real world of dealerships and service. UOA's are not telling a full story. for instance, we have had several customers bing us results of the analysis, but their engine is using oil. what the UOA doesn't tell is the stuck ring situation due to extending oil changes causing the rings to stick. we don't care what oil you run in your vehicle, if its not changed at 5,000 miles its GOING to use oil north of 90,000 miles. I have seen it too much, especially in the import market Nissan, Toyota, Honda. we have replaced several eco boost due to extended oil changes. if you read the severe service and normal service closely and with a fine tooth comb it says if you live in extreme climates hot or cold, driver oil the city, any idling, you fall under the extreme serve ice category with is 5,000 miles or sooner. there maybe 1% of people that fall under the normal service category. I haver a coin right now whom is a broad that has a 2017 Honda accord with a K24, she asked me a few weeks ago about her car that it is burning oil. I asked how many miles she said 110,000. I asked how often you change oil, she said when the oil life monitor displays change oil which she said comes up at 15%. dealership serviced the vehicle. also have an acquaintance, whom has a 2017 f150 coyote. he asked me to come change his transmission fluid and filter he said it has a torque convertor shudder. while I was there doing that he started asking questions about why his truck is burning oil. it has 135,000 miles on it. I asked him if this was the first time he replaced transmission fluid. he said yeah, I laughed and I said I guess you change oil when the oil life monitor tells you as well, he said yeah. I said who changes it. he said Walmart changes the oil with mobil 1 5w20. I told him you waited to long, 5,000 miles and no more. now he has an oil burner at 135,000 miles, and a torque convertor shudder. he needs a new convertor and well the engine is what it is. also working at Toyota with this lovely 10,000 mile oil change intervals. we have the customers who we tell 5,000 miles and they do it, we also have the ones that y'all are trying to get money out of me bc Toyota says 10,000. we tell them to look at the manual at severe service and normal service. well guess what engine is using oil at about 100,000 miles on the Toyotas. its there exact same results stuck rings due to extended drains. its the same ole story with Nissan and Honda. this is real world for several manufactures. this is not speculation. any ford, we did diesel oil at 5,00 miles as well due to the EGR and the dilution for the regions.
UOA is an analysis of oil, not the engine.
Numerous private aviation accidents where owners used UOA to determine the health of an engine.
 
But wait, how would the new forum-darling Valvoline R&P do here? :ROFLMAO: I also noted in the comments I want him to make a video like he ask about w/r to the M1 and the change in formula.
still not a Valvoline fan. my engines will get HPL for cleaning.
 
we don't care what oil you run in your vehicle, if its not changed at 5,000 miles its GOING to use oil north of 90,000 miles.

Oh really? Tell that to my Honda’s engine then! 🙄 It has had 9-10k oil changes since new and now has 150,000 miles on it. Only consumes maybe 400ml of oil every 10,000 miles.
 
Man I have seen 3.5 and 2.7 ecoboost come in to dealership regularly serviced at 5,000 miles with over 300,000 miles on them using plain ole motorcraft 5w30. The key is just change it at 5,000 miles and no more. It’s that simple.
Nope. Not true for any of my cars.

No significant oil use well north of 90,000 miles. And most of them are well over that.

The key is the use of proper specification. Not the frequency of change.

Here is an analysis, on an engine with 130,000 miles, that needs NO oil in a 10,000 mile change.

Thread 'HPL 5W40 Supercar 10,137 miles 2005 Mercedes S600 M275'
https://bobistheoilguy.com/forums/t...-10-137-miles-2005-mercedes-s600-m275.384861/

Further, this oil clearly had the “chops” to run another 10,000 miles, with strong TBN retention, and good viscosity.
 
Nope. Not true for any of my cars.

No significant oil use well north of 90,000 miles. And most of them are well over that.

The key is the use of proper specification. Not the frequency of change.

Here is an analysis, on an engine with 130,000 miles, that needs NO oil in a 10,000 mile change.

Thread 'HPL 5W40 Supercar 10,137 miles 2005 Mercedes S600 M275'
https://bobistheoilguy.com/forums/t...-10-137-miles-2005-mercedes-s600-m275.384861/

Further, this oil clearly had the “chops” to run another 10,000 miles, with strong TBN retention, and good viscosity.
You have been very lucky. I’ve replaced several ecoboost for going per the oil life monitor using plain ole motorcraft 5w30 even some using Mobil 1 5w30, and never touched the ones that they listened to us and did the 5,000 mile OCI. The only manufacturers that have real specs are the euro brands. That is very stringent speced oil. Asian brands just use a basic Ilsac spec and ford has their BS spec which to be honest, people don’t use oils that meet those anyway. Do you know how many people out their with super duties use DELVAC 5w40 and it does not meet the WSS-M2C171-F1 specification which we were told by ford is only for the phosphorus amount. That spec It’s nothing special. Anyway there are lots of scorpions out there on delvac 5w40 and 5,000 mile OCI and the trucks are just chugging along. There are people won’t there using M1 FS 0w40, that surely is way better than any ford spec. When it comes to spec the euro brands are the only ones that’s important in. The domestic vehicle oil spec is nothing.
 
Oh really? Tell that to my Honda’s engine then! 🙄 It has had 9-10k oil changes since new and now has 150,000 miles on it. Only consumes maybe 400ml of oil every 10,000 miles.
I’ve worked at Honda too, it’s the same results. How about those 1.5T’s in crates all around the shop with messed up rings, some with blown head gaskets, or how about the K24 with timing components all torn up. You know what they all have in common, consumers didn’t change the **** oil. They think they can sit there an idle them and talk on phone and change oil as you say 10,000 miles and just flat out not change oil until the car tells them. Well it don’t work like that. I make a lot of money from people just not doing maintenance. It used to be people that drive imports were more meticulous with maintenance, but now that’s out the window. There is a reason every single technician says change the oil at 5,000 miles and be done. Oil is cheap engines are not. They even have created YouTube channels informing people to please change oil at 5,000 miles or this is the results. I don’t know of one technician that goes over 5,000 miles on oil in their own vehicles. Next your going to tell me transmission fluid don’t have to be changed it’s lifetime.
 
Member @KJSmith produced a series of fantastic UOAs in his Ford 3.5L V6 twin turbo Ecoboost all on Castrol Magnatec 5W30.

And at 10k OCI.

Magnatec is the only oil I ever used that said it would reduce wear and actually did.
Unfortunately, Magnatec became unavailable.
I went to GTX full syn. Not sure I ever did a UOA on that oil.
Next OCI I am moving to Castrol Edge full syn.

I have since retired and just don't put many miles on the truck anymore.
I have moved to yearly OCI.

Current miles are 146k and going strong.
 
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I don’t think it’s luck.

A lot of Volvo engines were ruined in the early 2000s by dealers using regular 5W30 when the Volvo specification was A1/B1.

If the engine had to be cleaned - dealers were told to use A3/B4.

I’ve been using A3/B4 in the Volvos (which now have HPL) and MB 229.5 with 10,000 mile intervals in the MBs.

Good oil. Proper specification. Long intervals.

No problem.
 
we don't care what oil you run in your vehicle, if its not changed at 5,000 miles its GOING to use oil north of 90,000 miles. I have seen it too much, especially in the import market Nissan, Toyota, Honda.


I’ve worked at Honda too, it’s the same results. How about those 1.5T’s in crates all around the shop with messed up rings, some with blown head gaskets, or how about the K24 with timing components all torn up. You know what they all have in common, consumers didn’t change the **** oil. They think they can sit there an idle them and talk on phone and change oil as you say 10,000 miles and just flat out not change oil until the car tells them. Well it don’t work like that. I make a lot of money from people just not doing maintenance. It used to be people that drive imports were more meticulous with maintenance, but now that’s out the window. There is a reason every single technician says change the oil at 5,000 miles and be done. Oil is cheap engines are not. They even have created YouTube channels informing people to please change oil at 5,000 miles or this is the results. I don’t know of one technician that goes over 5,000 miles on oil in their own vehicles. Next your going to tell me transmission fluid don’t have to be changed it’s lifetime.
Lol.

This K24 is now at 273k miles. 7,500mi is the shortest OCI the car has ever seen.

1qt of make up oil during the 11k mile OCI.

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I don’t think it’s luck.

A lot of Volvo engines were ruined in the early 2000s by dealers using regular 5W30 when the Volvo specification was A1/B1.

If the engine had to be cleaned - dealers were told to use A3/B4.

I’ve been using A3/B4 in the Volvos (which now have HPL) and MB 229.5 with 10,000 mile intervals in the MBs.

Good oil. Proper specification. Long intervals.

No problem.
Keep telling yourself that bud, what ever floats your boat, not my car you do you. I Only speak from real world experience with almost every manufacturer, almost. I just try and share things that happen on the job and where the problems lie. You don’t have to take the professional knowledge, neither does anyone on here. But always remember, there is a reason all automotive technicians advise 5,000 mile oci regardless of manufacturer and type of oil, viscosity, whatever. So see ya.
 
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