LSJr. The TRUTH About Valvoline's BOLD Engine Cleaning Claims

[buster]

If people start noticing a decrease in oil consumption (seems to be the #1 thing people notice) when using the product, or noticeable cleaning of dipstick varnish etc. then I can definitely see this oil being great for someone that wants an easily obtainable solution to clean up piston rings without having to jump to an ultra-premium oil using very high solvency. It's a win for the Walmart crowd that wants to clean up an engine.

No one to my knowledge is claiming it's the greatest oil ever invented. It just happens to be unique at cleaning.

Had Valvoline not used the wording they did, not allowed LSJ to visit the facility, not had Dr. Warholic explain how it came to be and some photos, I would have been much more skeptical.

 

[I<3oil]

Very good marketing.

Good marketing doesn’t clean engine parts. /slap

 

[Shel_B]

They’re not impressed because Mobil 1 can clean up spun bearings and fix bent push rods.

You're a stitch ...

 

[cheesepuffs2]

There you go - just today the young (3.8-4.0 for us) engineer tells me that our (vendor) product development manager needs to move on bcs contracts have been signed. Said, hey - but he’s been seriously dedicated - and took on a product line management role at no cost shooting for future work - let him pull the wagon we all pull …

I don't understand.

 

[RevvCats]

I proves to me that Rat540 and his blog Q&A is dead wrong about VR&P wearing an engine out in a short time.

How anyone ever took that guy seriously after reading a paragraph of his ranting is beyond me. I used to dabble in a bit of the old super science at the LHC years ago so I know a thing or two about scientific writing and the only thing that guys blog reminds me of is the loons who continuously spam every physics department email they can find ranting about how quantum physics is lie, Einstein was wrong, and that they know the real truth about relativity.

If you don’t clearly state your test setup and experimental procedure, what you’re doing is not scientific full stop. For the amount of time that guy spends writing about “the haters” you’d think he’d be able to make a measurement a few times and figure out an error bar or two.

 

[cheesepuffs2]

I think some smart azzes and naysayers missed the part where Lake mentioned the VR&P combined oil sampling miles run, and wear metals has shown lower than average wear metals per 1000 miles than all the oils thru his lab..... He's had months of sampling the VR&P from clients to gather this data, its not just from his wife's one single van like some think.

Don't understand the hate on some of these posts for Lake at all. He has the knowledge base and a lab to back up his science. He's way smarter than anyone on here with oil and oil sampling. Guess some people are just going be jealous and bound to be hatters.

I don't have anything against LSJ, but people here really don't have a grasp on the fact that YouTube/content creation is a business, and that he's pushing these videos for profit, not because he's an enthusiast just having fun.

 

[4WD]

How anyone ever took that guy seriously after reading a paragraph of his ranting is beyond me. I used to dabble in a bit of the old super science at the LHC years ago so I know a thing or two about scientific writing and the only thing that guys blog reminds me of is the loons who continuously spam every physics department email they can find ranting about how quantum physics is lie, Einstein was wrong, and that they know the real truth about relativity.

If you don’t clearly state your test setup and experimental procedure, what you’re doing is not scientific full stop. For the amount of time that guy spends writing about “the haters” you’d think he’d be able to make a measurement a few times and figure out an error bar or two.

Good grief - you can’t carry this guy’s brief case on engines and lubricants - maybe he does not get YT down perfectly - but he’s been around … a long time …

 

[edyvw]

If we could be you one day … Just one day …
(but for the pay cut) …

Well, some people need any extra to have something, anything in life.

 

[edyvw]

I'd argue the folks buying oil in the WM aisle for DIY maintenance don't have fresh cars with low mileage.

Ah it is not that, I am talking decision making between which oil to buy.
You have folks that know exactly what they want/need, and they spend 5sec. And then folks that are standing there reading carefully front and back, then another bottle, then come back to one they already "inspected," and those are people that fall for R&P, triple action etc.

 

[OVERKILL]

If people start noticing a decrease in oil consumption (seems to be the #1 thing people notice) when using the product, or noticeable cleaning of dipstick varnish etc. then I can definitely see this oil being great for someone that wants an easily obtainable solution to clean up piston rings without having to jump to an ultra-premium oil using very high solvency. It's a win for the Walmart crowd that wants to clean up an engine.

No one to my knowledge is claiming it's the greatest oil ever invented. It just happens to be unique at cleaning.

Had Valvoline not used the wording they did, not allowed LSJ to visit the facility, not had Dr. Warholic explain how it came to be and some photos, I would have been much more skeptical.

Really, this product is a fully tested and approved alternative to the wild and wonderful world of Wizards like MMO, Seafoam, LM engine flush...etc, which have questionable claims of effectiveness and no approvals whatsoever.

 

[OVERKILL]

Good grief - you can’t carry this guy’s brief case on engines and lubricants - maybe he does not get YT down perfectly - but he’s been around … a long time …

He's referring to 540rat I believe, not LSJ.

 

[buster]

Really, this product is a fully tested and approved alternative to the wild and wonderful world of Wizards like MMO, Seafoam, LM engine flush...etc, which have questionable claims of effectiveness and no approvals whatsoever.

That's a good point I didn't think of that.

 

[OVERKILL]

That's a good point I didn't think of that.

And viewed through that lens, recommendation of this product for applications where the others might be pushed, is dramatically safer. I'd argue that's game changing.

 

[Patman]

I just started watching the video and the first thing that has me curious is that his wife’s Toyota has been using nothing but Toyota 0w20 since new. For a guy who knows as much as he does about oil I wonder why he wasn’t running something better? And were all of those changes done by the dealer instead of by him? That is really odd if you ask me. He probably has access to some of the best oils on the market…

 

[OVERKILL]

I just started watching the video and the first thing that has me curious is that his wife’s Toyota has been using nothing but Toyota 0w20 since new. For a guy who knows as much as he does about oil I wonder why he wasn’t running something better? And were all of those changes done by the dealer instead of by him? That is really odd if you ask me. He probably has access to some of the best oils on the market…

Maybe to set the stage for an experiment like this?

Of course the results with the much lauded TGMO aren't anything to brag about, which is a side, but I think relevant discussion that should be had.

 

[Shel_B]

Really, this product is a fully tested and approved alternative to the wild and wonderful world of Wizards like MMO, Seafoam, LM engine flush...etc, which have questionable claims of effectiveness and no approvals whatsoever.

... and which so many folks here swear by.

 

[buster]

I just started watching the video and the first thing that has me curious is that his wife’s Toyota has been using nothing but Toyota 0w20 since new. For a guy who knows as much as he does about oil I wonder why he wasn’t running something better? And were all of those changes done by the dealer instead of by him? That is really odd if you ask me. He probably has access to some of the best oils on the market…

Maybe he just didn't' care or got the free oil changes LOL. It is weird though. TGMO leaving destroyed VM'ers behind LOL.

 

[oilfan99]

For $30 at Walmart for a 5 quart jug it's worth a try x4

 

[OilStainedNapkin]

Stuff works. Only 1 change too.

Before:

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After:

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Imo this is very impressive. Did you scrub away at the dipstick at all or was this purely from the vrp breaking down the varnish in operation?

 

[CarlB]

I just started watching the video and the first thing that has me curious is that his wife’s Toyota has been using nothing but Toyota 0w20 since new. For a guy who knows as much as he does about oil I wonder why he wasn’t running something better? And were all of those changes done by the dealer instead of by him? That is really odd if you ask me. He probably has access to some of the best oils on the market…

Probably because it's a Sienna. He puts PuP in his Porsche.