It showed good results for racing too - I have a few clients that race on 5w-30 SS with single digit wear numbers. It does really well and I’m jealous that I don’t get those results
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Pretty much every study - that are more sophisticated than using used oil analysis on a dyno engine - conclude that lower HTHS viscosity produced more wear. Viscosity is the main wear mitigation factor. This is why many here say go up a grade if the manufacturer's "recommendation" is a 0W-8 to xW-20. xW-30 will work in just about anything and give more protection head room than a lower viscosity.
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Hardly any 5W-30 show shearing out of grade in used oil analysis here unless they were ran way too long or used in engines that were worked real hard, or highly diluted with fuel.
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HPL has quite high sulfur. Ive seen some VOAs as high as 10k ppm but i am not knowledgeable on if this is an issue or just an effect of the formulation. @RDY4WAR what are your insights here id love to learn more
Is this one the API and Dexos only oil? I'm not very familiar with Ravenol's lineup.
This is one of my main issues with his presentation of the data. He ascribes all viscosity loss to shearing, and he doesn't account for fuel dilution.
looks like Pennzoil Ultra Platinum is the way to considering price and test results and accessibility to get. Amsoil is a great oil also in testing ,,,well looks like Mobil is not what it used to be. would be nice to see Schaeffers in the testing along with Valvoline products as well.
Much like Amsoil, there are different product lines. Mobil 1 definitely has a comparable product to SS out there and the pros can probably point you to it - I’ve seen it mentioned elsewhere on here.
In several of Lake's videos, he praises Mobil 1 products with the stipulation that most will shear a grade during an OCI. So if you want a 30 grade, start with a 40 grade, etc. When he was at HPL's lab with the plant manager David, KRL testing showed this. He also said this shear occurs quickly, and their 15 minutes KRL testing showed this.
IIRC, he has said Mobil 1 Truck and SUV has a relatively high amount of AN.
Yes it’s one of their worst on paper.
Also consider Mobil 1 Truck and SUV hung with some of the best oils in the world. Not something many other oils could do.
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I saw he responded to a comment in the last video saying Schaeffer's would be in the next round. I too am very interested
Why anyone would put determitive importance on these videos is a bit beyond me. He's made substantive mistakes in them that make me question the conclusions he then draws.
I don't know why he didn't include any Euro spec oil. Just one. Give us Mobil 1 ESP or something. Even the Euro oils he chose, he specifically picked their API spec options.
An opportunity for more content. I don’t see him not doing it and adding the results in later.
Reference time 1:03:53 in the video.
He summarizes as: Lower temperature, more oil pressure, higher film thickness, better performance (T & HP), lower resistance (less friction, which probably giving the increased T & HP). When this is concluded from testing on the same engine under the same conditions, this means the oil with a higher ("thicker") HTHS viscosity gives more film thickness, which equates to better wear protection. "Less friction" in this case with a thicker film thickness could be from less metal-on-metal friction under high loads on moving parts (even though the oil shear friction would be slightly higher) which would also correlate to more power and less wear.
He summarizes as: Lower temperature, more oil pressure, higher film thickness, better performance (T & HP), lower resistance (less friction, which probably giving the increased T & HP). When this is concluded from testing on the same engine under the same conditions, this means the oil with a higher ("thicker") HTHS viscosity gives more film thickness, which equates to better wear protection. "Less friction" in this case with a thicker film thickness could be from less metal-on-metal friction under high loads on moving parts (even though the oil shear friction would be slightly higher) which would also correlate to more power and less wear.
I look at his data and explanations the same way I read BITOG posts. What or whom is the source of the data and can it be verified or validated to an acceptable level to me?
Another huge piece to me... is it entertaining or frustrating? Nobody is forcing me to suffer through parts of videos I don't want to watch, nor read posts that don't interest me. Then again, sometimes my level of interest is like watching a NASCAR race just to see who's going to collide into whom and how it gets resolved... a gentle nudge with a bumper, or a full-blown brawl on pit road.
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