Yes I understand, sorry about not getting it all this time.
Given that, how technically impressive is this video then?
LSJR blends up a custom oil in the lab
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Given that, how technically impressive is this video then?
HPL has a really cool lab. That’s impressive. But we already knew that part.
But skipping through the rest of the video, when you have a cheat sheet and an idea of what all the components do… The hardest thing is probably the ability to use all the equipment in the lab. As, that requires some experience.
Yes and that’s the technician’s job.
Well, there’s your answer on the level of knowledge needed to do oil blending.
This video goes into how HPL does their blending, and much more. They talk about being able to custom blend a formulation overnight. HPL's blending tanks are on load cells with 1/10lb precision @1000 lbs. They talk about this at 3:20.
They really do have a cool lab and a cool little facility. They certainly can make and blend some good product, very boutique stuff.
But to give some perspective of scale. The Smitty’s facility that burned down, throughput 140 million gallons of lubricants last year.
Pinnacle’s new bag in a box line, can make 6 million 6 gallon bag in a boxes a month. And they have multiple BiB and Quart lines. Plus bulk load out.
Amalie Tampa literally takes ocean going barges of base oil in at a time.
I’m not discounting anything about HPL. They can make some super high quality product. I’m just shining a light on the differences in the industry. Small, boutique vs economy of scale and size. HPL can make “custom” lubricants because of their set up. If you want one of the big players to blend something “custom” for you, then you better have millions of gallons in volume.
Toward the end of the video they show their fill station and state they can bottle a 12qt case of product every 30 seconds. Just a bit different scale.
I had seen the video before, but after watching it again, will skip using up my Amsoil SS and go with the HPL I bought on the next OCI.
So that’s 3 gallons every 30 seconds. 6 gallons a minute. 360 gallons an hour. 8640 if running 24/7.
I believe P66 Savannah on their main quart line for Motorcraft and Honda runs at something like 256 quarts a minute 24/7.
Just the throughput at some of these plants is amazing to watch. Miles of conveyor lines for bottling. Truck loads of empty plastic bottles being unloaded and fed into the machines. High speed in line blending. Their own additive solubility facilities.
But that’s what you have to do when you’re feeding Walmart and the like.
This was in the video. This is from Afton. How does one go from what this graph shows, to maximizing it?
Would Afton say, you can further improve on this by adding more xyz etc.?
Because once you manipulate an add pack, how do you know what has changed? Truthfully, the 11183 doesn't seem that great. It's a bit better than d1G3 but not by a lot.
Would Afton say, you can further improve on this by adding more xyz etc.?
Because once you manipulate an add pack, how do you know what has changed? Truthfully, the 11183 doesn't seem that great. It's a bit better than d1G3 but not by a lot.
I missed seeing it in the video. Was someone holding a bottle of it while talking about additives?
Around 11:50 mark.
Gotta adjust the way you’re thinking about this.
That graph isn’t a technical piece of data. It’s a piece of marketing material. There is no real data on it. There’s no data on where improvements actually need to be made. There’s no data on what it’s being compared to. (Competitor product? Their own product?)
So it’s simply a picture with colors that someone in marketing cooked up. More am better! Big spike good! Old product baaaad! This product great!
But really otherwise, nothing else.
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Good eyes! There seems to be so much of that all over the place these days. Anyone can make up anything and present it to the masses.
I have learned and re-learned it , too many times in fact. Do not get so excited and run with something at first without making certain it is from a valid source. Info shared and comments by some very wise individuals @ BITOG have taught me that time and again.
I agree completely.
For me all of this really validates testing and approvals. It's not that you can't make a better oil than what the spec requires, but it would be nice to see some validation of that. Otherwise you're just buying something and assuming it's better. I guess if you can run many bench tests you should have a good indication of field performance too, but we saw that LSJ video where Dr. England said that modeling is often way off compared to field performance and vice versa.....
For example, GM has a turbo charger test that you must pass to meet D1G3. If boutique blender A buys approved D1G3 pack, but tinkers with it and adds a boat load of xyz additive because they want to reduce friction (just hypothetical), what else changed? We know that everything has to be carefully balance.
So with approved Mobil 1, they give you this (this is old and for M1 AP):
For example, GM has a turbo charger test that you must pass to meet D1G3. If boutique blender A buys approved D1G3 pack, but tinkers with it and adds a boat load of xyz additive because they want to reduce friction (just hypothetical), what else changed? We know that everything has to be carefully balance.
So with approved Mobil 1, they give you this (this is old and for M1 AP):
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