Low tension rings

[Triple_Se7en]

All oil changes have been done according to the Honda "oil life" maintenance minder based on driving habits.

My Honda Civic ( not GDI ) has over 300,000 miles and oil consumption is imperceptible.

PCV has been changed on all my cars.

I don't use top-tier gas FWIW.

Your maintenance minder doesn't factor-in oil consumption. Most times shorter OCIs do.
You waited too long to try that theory. Now you live with your results.

I've read hundreds of Kia / Hyundai posts on their messageboards from owners that did the manufacturer's recommended 7.5k OCI. Many of those owners stated that the engine never used oil until around 3.5k of the OCI.

Well Duh!
I can't imagine going beyond 5k OCI in our Kia using HPL. I've never done more than 3k OCIs since my first car in 1969. I'll judge the used HPL oil more when I drain it this late winter. Then I'll decide on upping or lowering the next OCI.

I don;t drink - smoke - gamble - do drugs - have car payments or house payments. My idea of entertainment is not live pro sports. I think I can afford to change my HPL and Amsoil every 3k if necessary...lol
My idea of necessary is maintaining a pristine inside to our engines. All my prior rides had immaculate insides when things like intake, head or valve cover gaskets had to be changed.

Neither the Kia or Hyundai dealer will ever ask me for oil change receipts if/when my engines fail..... and odds are they will fail, due to subpar craftsmanship stories I've heard. Low tension rings in our 2020 2.0 MPI engine have been found to literally come apart in small pieces. They've already extended my warranty because of failures .... a number of these engines breaking down, prior to 50k.

 

[SHOZ]

Your maintenance minder doesn't factor-in oil consumption. Most times shorter OCIs do.
You waited too long to try that theory. Now you live with your results.

I've read hundreds of Kia / Hyundai posts on their messageboards from owners that did the manufacturer's recommended 7.5k OCI. Many of those owners stated that the engine never used oil until around 3.5k of the OCI.

Duh!

My '08 Accent used about a quart of oil in the first 3500 miles. Did 5k oil changes for a few years but the last 90k miles it's been 7.5k oil changes. It uses less than a quart during an OCI now. I usually top off a half quart.

The Gen Coupe 2L turbo has always been on 5k oil changes and it actually makes oil due to fuel dilution. It has the low tension rings.

I should say they were both made in S Korea.

 

[Just a civilian pilot]

Your maintenance minder doesn't factor-in oil consumption. Most times shorter OCIs do.
You waited too long to try that theory. Now you live with your results.

I've read hundreds of Kia / Hyundai posts on their messageboards from owners that did the manufacturer's recommended 7.5k OCI. Many of those owners stated that the engine never used oil until around 3.5k of the OCI.

Well Duh!
I can't imagine going beyond 5k OCI in our Kia using HPL. I've never done more than 3k OCIs since my first car in 1969. I'll judge the used HPL oil more when I drain it this late winter. Then I'll decide on upping or lowering the next OCI.

I don;t drink - smoke - gamble - do drugs - have car payments or house payments. My idea of entertainment is not live pro sports. I think I can afford to change my HPL and Amsoil every 3k if necessary...lol
My idea of necessary is maintaining a pristine inside to our engines. All my prior rides had immaculate insides when things like gaskets had to be changed.

Neither the Kia or Hyundai dealer will ever ask me for oil change receipts if/when my engines fail..... and odds are they will fail, due to subpar craftsmanship stories I've heard.

Huh?

I can’t even understand what you’re saying that makes sense in the first paragraph relating to my situation.

I did a UOA in the beginning when I bought the car ( and doing mostly city driving ) and everything was fine and my driving today is even easier on oil ( 99.9% long distance highway driving ). Given the UOA was good, why would anyone start changing their oil earlier just because what owners on a KIA or Hyundai forum say?

I don’t drive Kia or Hyundai, I drive a Honda.

You remind me of that guy in a previous thread ( said he is a mechanic, doesn’t care what any UOA says even if indicating the oil is fine , because you will wreck your engine if you don’t change it earlier anyways ) who is absolutely convinced drivers will never have oil consumption issues if you just change the oil 3000 miles without any proof.

So, according to people like you and him , owners should believe what you say and change the oil much earlier even if UOA says everything is fine.

So, given that my car consumes oil now, I think I will ignore the maintence minder and change the oil longer given I am adding top off oil now.

Thanks for saving me even more money ( and time ).

Thanks for educating me how the maintence minder works

Edit: OLM also don’t know if an owner lets the oil level got too low ( small sumps low on oil cause a lot more problems for the oil and engine wear if it gets too low ) , what kind of oil they use ( sorry, having a real hard time believing Amsoil SS or HPL cannot at least make it to 0% oil life even in a small sump GDI ) , or if fuel dilution is a problem.

UOA will indicate if the oil isn’t holding up or if you have too much fuel in the oil.

Before wasting money on 3000 oil changes, do a UOA at least.

I wonder how many of those engine failures ( or increased wear ) are caused by people who never check the oil level.

 

[JohnnyJohnson]

One of the biggest CAFE ripoffs ever.

 

[Triple_Se7en]

Huh?

I can’t even understand what you’re saying that makes sense in the first paragraph relating to my situation.

I did a UOA in the beginning when I bought the car ( and doing mostly city driving ) and everything was fine and my driving today is even easier on oil ( 99.9% long distance highway driving ). Given the UOA was good, why would anyone start changing their oil earlier just because what owners on a KIA or Hyundai forum say?

I don’t drive Kia or Hyundai, I drive a Honda.

You remind me of that guy in a previous thread ( said he is a mechanic, doesn’t care what any UOA says even if indicating the oil is fine , because you will wreck your engine if you don’t change it earlier anyways ) who is absolutely convinced drivers will never have oil consumption issues if you just change the oil 3000 miles without any proof.

So, according to people like you and him , owners should believe what you say and change the oil much earlier even if UOA says everything is fine.

So, given that my car consumes oil now, I think I will ignore the maintence minder and change the oil longer given I am adding top off oil now.

Thanks for saving me even more money ( and time ).

Thanks for educating me how the maintence minder works

Edit: OLM also don’t know if an owner lets the oil level got too low ( small sumps low on oil cause a lot more problems for the oil and engine wear if it gets too low ) , what kind of oil they use ( sorry, having a real hard time believing Amsoil SS or HPL cannot at least make it to 0% oil life even in a small sump GDI ) , or if fuel dilution is a problem.

UOA will indicate if the oil isn’t holding up or if you have too much fuel in the oil.

Before wasting money on 3000 oil changes, do a UOA at least.

I wonder how many of those engine failures ( or increased wear ) are caused by people who never check the oil level.

Not sure how your OLM works. But on most, they are nothing more than mileage counters. Many GM owners have pointed out that they can let their vehicles sit in the driveway for months and the OLM still counts backwards while they sleep.

The remainder of what I said only points to your desire (or lack of) to keep your engine clean and your wear protection at top notch. Luckily you have an engine that's made to endure. I sure wish I had enduring Korean makes and disregarded the wife's Korean choices and bought a Toyota and Honda, instead of the Kia and Hyundai.

But hey, it was her money to use (from large inheritances) and she paid cash for both. She waved around $50k to spend at the dealerships (27k and 23k) and despite my Japanese car sales pitches to her, I lost because I needed $60k for what I wanted (CRV + RAV4) and she wasn't in an obliging mood that day.

 

[Patrick0525]

Not sure how your OLM works. But on most, they are nothing more than mileage counters. Many GM owners have pointed out that they can let their vehicles sit in the driveway for months and the OLM still counts backwards while they sleep.

The remainder of what I said only points to your desire (or lack of) to keep your engine clean and your wear protection at top notch. Luckily you have an engine that's made to endure. I sure wish I had enduring Korean makes and disregarded the wife's Korean choices and bought a Toyota and Honda, instead of the Kia and Hyundai.

But hey, it was her money to use (from large inheritances) and she paid cash for both. She waved around $50k to spend at the dealerships (27k and 23k) and despite my Japanese car sales pitches to her, I lost because I needed $60k for what I wanted (CRV + RAV4) and she wasn't in an obliging mood that day.

Happy wife is a happy life.
Bought a used 2009 Lexus ES350 @41k mi for $12K and that was 7 yrs ago. Not a new car but so far zero auto costs and misery.

 

[Just a civilian pilot]

Not sure how your OLM works. But on most, they are nothing more than mileage counters. Many GM owners have pointed out that they can let their vehicles sit in the driveway for months and the OLM still counts backwards while they sleep.

The remainder of what I said only points to your desire (or lack of) to keep your engine clean and your wear protection at top notch. Luckily you have an engine that's made to endure. I sure wish I had enduring Korean makes and disregarded the wife's Korean choices and bought a Toyota and Honda, instead of the Kia and Hyundai.

But hey, it was her money to use (from large inheritances) and she paid cash for both. She waved around $50k to spend at the dealerships (27k and 23k) and despite my Japanese car sales pitches to her, I lost because I needed $60k for what I wanted (CRV + RAV4) and she wasn't in an obliging mood that day.

You need to read up on how the Honda MM works before you try and tell other people what to do with their vehicles just because of what some anonymous people on a KIA/Hyundai forum swear is the cure for engine longevity.

The Honda MM is smart, it’s not just a mileage counter.

I have previously checked the MM versus UOA and it’s safe.

Sorry, anyone tying to tell me that changing the oil way too soon is going to make my engine last longer ( or would have prevented the oil consumption ) isn’t making sense.

All kinds of opinions on why these engines burn oil but no proof. There is zero proof changing the oil too early would have prevented this issue.

My suggestion to you is find some hobbies other than worrying about how long other people are keeping the oil in the engine.

 

[OVERKILL]

Not sure how your OLM works. But on most, they are nothing more than mileage counters. Many GM owners have pointed out that they can let their vehicles sit in the driveway for months and the OLM still counts backwards while they sleep.

If the OLM is counting down due to age of the oil (while not accruing miles) then it's quite literally NOT being the mileage counter you claim it is, Jesus dude.

GM's OLM is an iOLM, which means it's a complex system that takes into account a number of parameters to determine the OCI length. Many other brands are similar, like my FCA ones and those on the Euro marques. So I'm not sure how you arrived at "most" being mileage counters?

Now, Toyota's are in fact just mileage counters, which is becoming increasingly less common in this day and age, but then Toyota is rarely one to lead on tech, that's how they got their reputation.

 

[The Critic]

Now, Toyota's are in fact just mileage counters, which is becoming increasingly less common in this day and age, but then Toyota is rarely one to lead on tech, that's how they got their reputation.

At least the newer Toyota products finally have two different counters -- one for scheduled maintenance and one for oil maintenance.