Lots of new Ram trucks rotting on dealer lots it seems

[wtd]

OK.....AS I said....on this forum one's finances is nobody's business until you disagree with those choices.

BTW-there is new car jealousy on here-not saying you necessarily-but it's more than common on the forum.

You have been harping on here forever about people making comments about new cars and not wanting to spend the money on them. You have no proof it's about car jealously. Maybe it's because people are smart with their money and don't see the value of what a new vehicle costs. Yes, there are some that cannot afford them. That is just a fact of life as not everyone is in the same economic situation.

We all know you like newer cars and buy them every few years. Good for you. Just because you do, doesn't mean others want to do the same or are able to.

 

[JeffKeryk]

Why does everyone feel buying a new vehicle is an impulsive purchase? Some of these anti new car posts reek of jealousy-sorry just calling it the way I see it.....

I sort of agree, but without really understanding what people mean it's not good for me to assume... Heck, try owning an EV!
An $80 PU scares me; I can throw a ton of dirt into the trusty Tundra, loan it out, etc without a care in the world. And as far as quality, I would drive it anywhere. Never seen the inside of a garage, save for some services... One thing, it sucks the gas.

 

[fdcg27]

I am not so sure.

RAM prices its 1/2 ton trucks $2k USD less than Ford's 1/2 tons. There is a reason RAM has a $2k less price than Ford, and it's not because Stellantis is being kind.

https://www.edmunds.com/car-comparisons/ford-f-150-vs-ram-1500/

We all know that sticker and retail are entirely different things.
What would matter would be actual retail transaction averages for comparable vehicles.
That information, while well known to the manufacturers as well as financing sources, would seem to be unobtainable for most or us.

 

[CKN]

I sort of agree, but without really understanding what people mean it's not good for me to assume... Heck, try owning an EV!
An $80 PU scares me; I can throw a ton of dirt into the trusty Tundra, loan it out, etc without a care in the world. And as far as quality, I would drive it anywhere. Never seen the inside of a garage, save for some services... One thing, it sucks the gas.

The difference is your truck is a beater really. The ride and features of new pickup trucks are an amazing ride. And you can get a decent one less than $60,000-new. In the high 40's slightly used.
We know you can afford it Jeff, if you really wanted one!

 

[Dave Hess]

OK.....AS I said....on this forum one's finances is nobody's business until you disagree with those choices.

BTW-there is new car jealousy on here-not saying you necessarily-but it's more than common on the forum.

Because BITOG has older conservative folks compared to other automotive forums.

 

[CKN]

Because BITOG has older conservative folks compared to other automotive forums.

So don't make statements that others can see right through your motivation. You can be old and still be stupid.

 

[Dave Hess]

So don't make statement that others can see right through your motivation. You can be old and still be stupid.

You are 100% correct.

 

[cptbarkey]

OK.....AS I said....on this forum one's finances is nobody's business until you disagree with those choices.

BTW-there is new car jealousy on here-not saying you necessarily-but it's more than common on the forum.

Why does this discussion have to be about you exactly? Care to share why you feel threatened to vocalize in that way?

So don't make statement that others can see right through your motivation. You can be old and still be stupid.

This thread is about row after row of unsold trucks which is a forward economic trend. Did you buy high and now have rich man's regrets? Just calling it as i see it.

 

[CKN]

Why does this discussion have to be about you exactly? Care to share why you feel threatened to vocalize in that way?


This thread is about row after row of unsold trucks which is a forward economic trend. Did you buy high and now have rich man's regrets? Just calling it as i see it.

Nah...I just DON'T drink the Kool-Aid here. Never have

I will end here.

 

[JeffKeryk]

So don't make statements that others can see right through your motivation. You can be old and still be stupid.

I resemble that remark!

 

[CKN]

I resemble that remark!

LOL!

 

[JeffKeryk]

The difference is your truck is a beater really. The ride and features of new pickup trucks are an amazing ride. And you can get a decent one less than $60,000-new. In the high 40's slightly used.
We know you can afford it Jeff, if you really wanted one!

Our Tundra is pretty nice actually. And no it's not for sale.

 

[OVERKILL]

Why does this discussion have to be about you exactly? Care to share why you feel threatened to vocalize in that way?


This thread is about row after row of unsold trucks which is a forward economic trend. Did you buy high and now have rich man's regrets? Just calling it as i see it.

I think @CKN has a point, which is why I never discuss financial matters on this forum. The amount of condescension and brow-beating some folks have received over what seemed like pretty innocent questions, or dear Christ, if they financed ANYTHING, even if it was at 0%, the grief they got from the "I'm driving a 30 year old Corolla and live in a house I paid cash for in 1952 working at the mine while setting up lynching trees as a side gig to sock away that extra money" crowd was next level.

Nobody wants to be subject to that, but it's a strong vein that runs through the membership, which I assume is the boomer crowd.

 

[wtd]

I think @CKN has a point, which is why I never discuss financial matters on this forum. The amount of condescension and brow-beating some folks have received over what seemed like pretty innocent questions, or dear Christ, if they financed ANYTHING, even if it was at 0%, the grief they got from the "I'm driving a 30 year old Corolla and live in a house I paid cash for in 1952 working at the mine while setting up lynching trees as a side gig to sock away that extra money" crowd was next level.

Nobody wants to be subject to that, but it's a strong vein that runs through the membership, which I assume is the boomer crowd.

The problem is that CKN is famous for browbeating those people you are talking about. He is always making negative comments about people who say they like driving their older car, buying an older car, or not wanting to pay the prices for a new car. He comes across as a "know it all" wealthy snob.

 

[PWMDMD]

I think @CKN has a point, which is why I never discuss financial matters on this forum. The amount of condescension and brow-beating some folks have received over what seemed like pretty innocent questions, or dear Christ, if they financed ANYTHING, even if it was at 0%, the grief they got from the "I'm driving a 30 year old Corolla and live in a house I paid cash for in 1952 working at the mine while setting up lynching trees as a side gig to sock away that extra money" crowd was next level.

Nobody wants to be subject to that, but it's a strong vein that runs through the membership, which I assume is the boomer crowd.

I like vigorous debate and it's even more fun when everyone doesn't agree with me and while it does sometimes go overboard, there's something to be said about learning to have a thicker skin. That said, I'm a GenXer who was raised by boomers and so maybe this is just me looking for a fight to work through some of my repressed authority figure issues.

 

[Elkins45]

We rented a wheelchair van conversion today to transport my FIL to a care facility. It was a converted Chrysler Pacifica. I don’t know the model year or the engine but it must be very new because it had <5K miles on it. It drove and handled fantastically, especially when compared to the 2009 RAV4 we drove to pick it up. I loved the adaptive cruise control and the blind spot warning, and the gas mileage seemed pretty good.

If I thought it would be reliable I could absolutely see myself driving something similar. Maybe a lease…

 

[PandaBear]

Have you seen the spike in vehicle loan defaults and increasing Repos ?

I’m just saying some folks should not buy a new vehicle.

Not everyone buying new vehicles are stretching over their budgets. People buying a new Sienna because they have another kid is not the same as people buying a new Mercedes because they want to keep up with the Jones. You can also get into a big debt buying used cars. Some people just don't have the skill to pick a good used cars and they are better at buying new and drive for 15 years. Some people just have to keep driving fancy cars and the only thing they can afford is to get used fancy cars out of warranty (and you know how that ends).

 

[CKN]

I think @CKN has a point, which is why I never discuss financial matters on this forum. The amount of condescension and brow-beating some folks have received over what seemed like pretty innocent questions, or dear Christ, if they financed ANYTHING, even if it was at 0%, the grief they got from the "I'm driving a 30 year old Corolla and live in a house I paid cash for in 1952 working at the mine while setting up lynching trees as a side gig to sock away that extra money" crowd was next level.

Nobody wants to be subject to that, but it's a strong vein that runs through the membership, which I assume is the boomer crowd.

Well said OVERKILL.

 

[PandaBear]

OK.....AS I said....on this forum one's finances is nobody's business until you disagree with those choices.

BTW-there is new car jealousy on here-not saying you necessarily-but it's more than common on the forum.

I don't think it is jealousy.

Some people see different risks in the new vs used car debate. Many people don't know how to fix simple problems and get gouged by mechanics, and some people just aren't good at buying simple affordable cars new and don't have the tolerance to stay with the same car for 10 years.

It is a free world and we are all free to choose, for a good reason.

 

[PF52]

The problem is that CKN is famous for browbeating those people you are talking about. He is always making negative comments about people who say they like driving their older car, buying an older car, or not wanting to pay the prices for a new car. He comes across as a "know it all" wealthy snob.

+2

There are however-many thousands of members here so that means there are however-many thousands of financial positions also. Maybe for CKN is is easy to trade in a nearly-new Ford truck for a Chevy truck just because he didn't like the first one but that doesn't mean everyone can do so as well. My parents are probably exactly his age and they aren't the least bit car-savvy so whatever complaints CKN had about the first truck they never would have noticed ("I suppose they all drive this way") but the notion of trading in something so new would be total anathema to them. Even if they could afford it; even if the numbers worked in their favor. It just wasn't in their upbringing. Maybe some of that Depression-era logic still lingers with them, or some sort of Catholic guilt that won't let them part with functioning durable goods for any reason, or whatever. But to the know it all wealthy snobs of the world theirs is just another position to mock.