Lots of new Ram trucks rotting on dealer lots it seems

ragtoplvr said:
2004 still driving it, buick lesabre, best car I ever owned. 1992 Dodge Dakota, before that 89 Tempo
Then there was the black Black lemon, 86 Monte Carlo SS before that 82 S10
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Respectfully- I find it curious those who rant on new cars that clearly don't know the benefits and advantages of the very things they are ranting about. The thing we can agree about is they cost more than they should.
 
Just for fun I built and priced a RAM Big Horn 4X4 with HEMI on the internet. There are $8000 in incentives listed on the dealer website. (I'm not buying.)
 
The Lube Guy said:
Because a Tradesman 2500 4x4 6.4L that was $40K in 2022 went up to $55K. It's not that there isn't a demand. The problem is that they're overpriced, and dealers are up to no good. High interest rates make matters worse for dealers.

For sales to pick up interest rates have to come down to sane levels, along with prices. Historically, we had high interest rates for vehicles before, however, vehicles were never this expensive.
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Heck even the 1500’s got ridiculous. My truck MSRP’d for $43,480, that same 1500 Classic truck today is $52,000.
 
loneryder said:
People just can't afford them!
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That's true to a point. There are still plenty of people who can afford them, and in that group are people pissed off when they pull stupid stunts like tossing in a market adjustment price on top of MSRP. Those people say screw it and wait until things cycle down then buy, or move to another brand that might have a local dealer not as greedy. People holding off buying will drop sales volume too. Bottom line is not everyone buying a new car needs to have that car ASAP, there are plenty of people like myself that want a new car but will wait until sanity returns.
 
The Lube Guy said:
In CJDR's case, the following idiom applies: the chickens come home to roost

Like every other manufacturer, they tried to artificially create demand, to keep prices high. Out west, there are mall parking lots full of brand new pickup trucks and other vehicles rotting away.

One of my local CJDR dealers increased their prices for all their vehicles this month, even though no one is buying. The other CJDR dealer never lowered them.

Yes, they're in trouble. They're doing worse than Ford and GM.

I say this: unless you find a very good deal that works in your favor, let 'em rot. They fully deserve what they got, and then some.
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Lee said it best, "If you can find a better car, buy it!"

 
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OVERKILL said:
May depend on your area, DT's are EVERYWHERE here (as are DS's), but we have three Stellantis dealerships in the area. Also see a lot of WKII and WL GC's, but it's very rare to see a 300, Dart or Hornet. Lots of old Caravans and plenty of new Pacificas though.
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That is a great point. In my area I see tons of Rams, Grand Cherokees as well as GM and FORD trucks. I think I only ever saw maybe a few 200's and 1 dart ever but Chevy Cruzes are everywhere.
 
gfh77665 said:
Yeah, but is so cool to trash Stellantis here.
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It's not just Stellantis.
Every manufacturer and its dealers got used to fat margins during the COVID years of supply shortage since there were always people who had to replace a car or a truck, since their living depended upon something to drive to work or something to use in their work.
Now that new vehicle supply is back to normal manufacturers and their dealers seem to be having a hard time adjusting to the fact that it's a buyer's market once again.
They are all in this position at the moment. The smarter dealers will pivot quickly while the less astute ones will go straight into bankruptcy,
 
fdcg27 said:
It's not just Stellantis.
Every manufacturer and its dealers got used to fat margins during the COVID years of supply shortage since there were always people who had to replace a car or a truck, since their living depended upon something to drive to work or something to use in their work.
Now that new vehicle supply is back to normal manufacturers and their dealers seem to be having a hard time adjusting to the fact that it's a buyer's market once again.
They are all in this position at the moment. The smarter dealers will pivot quickly while the less astute ones will go straight into bankruptcy,
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Yeah the gravy train is coming to an end, but the dealers sure have enjoyed taking advantage of buyers the last few years. It's going to take a bit for some of them to have a reality check.
 
OVERKILL said:
Tundra is up, Tacoma is down, WAY down.
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It would be interesting to see a breakdown of Tacoma sales by model and trim. Toyota only put the hybrid iForce Max on the upper trims (ex TRD Pro) same approach with Tundra. My theory is they weren't confident it the uptake of turbo 4 or turbo 4 hybrid, so they split them and may change to a single engine choice later depending on sales.
 
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OVERKILL said:
By that completely contextless metric, both Honda and Toyota are declining brands, both having peaked in 2017:
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If you've got a Stellantis hate-boner, that's cool, but just let me know so I can avoid wasting my time engaging with you.
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No hate of Stellanis , they simply priced high and demographic who buys it mainly used cheap financing to afford it. Now financing is high and prices are high even with discounts sales slowed.
 
2002 Maxima SE said:
It would be interesting to see a breakdown of Tacoma sales by model and trim. Toyota only put the hybrid iForce Max on the upper trims (ex TRD Pro) same approach with Tundra. My theory is they weren't confident it the uptake of turbo 4 or turbo 4 hybrid, so they split them and may change to a single engine choice later depending on sales.
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Yeah, I'm interested to see what the next few quarters look like for it. @AutoMechanic works at a dealership and he noted they aren't moving, but that may just be his area.
 
andrew_j said:
No hate of Stellanis , they simply priced high and demographic who buys it mainly used cheap financing to afford it. Now financing is high and prices are high even with discounts sales slowed.
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Are we talking about kids with bad credit buying V6 Challengers or are we talking about RAM trucks (this thread) and your tangent about Jeep being "in decline", the metric by which you determined that wholly unprovocative and totally innocuous factoid, seemingly also applying to Honda and Toyota?

Because I am quite skeptical of the demographic shopping RAM 1500's being any different than the one shopping Silverado/Sierra and F-150. This is evidenced by the alignment of a decline in Q1 sales figures for both F-series and RAM.
 
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