Longshoreman Strike - East and Gulf Coast - now features TP shortages

You are not going to stop AI or the automation that comes with it. Union protectionism becomes tyranny. And who controls the unions? Hint it's not the members. There a lot of mysterious reasons for this work stoppage, most inappropriate for this forum though.

I say let things play out till after the 'election'.
It's not going to take that long .
 
I wonder what we'd be saying if this was all accountants striking, demanding that Quickbooks and Turbotax be outlawed. Or every cab and livery driver refusing to work until we ban self-driving cars.

If you carry this far enough, every profession should demand that all progress and even the flow of information cease to guarantee they keep their job, ie you might watch a YT video that allows you to repair your car rather than employing your local mechanic.

Longshoreman are far from the first to make this demand. When I used to have to go into UAW plants, there were plenty of people sleeping in the break room because their jobs had been automated away, but the union contract said they had to employ a certain number of people.

So I agree with your statement, but this is nothing new under the sun.
 
If you are on prescriptions most of that is made overseas. Highlighting the off shoring of our pharmaceutical manufacturing. Especially the ones that are needed for the rest of your life.
 
Yes, many people do not know the cost of living on Long Island. They do not know that police officers there make 6 figure plus incomes and by the time they retire its more like 200k or more granted, some of it over time.

Meaning, if they strike they take risk. Either way I dont care if they make more money or put themselves out of work down the line because some unions do that. So I dont care *LOL* all part of life. I take no position as I never have been a union but would not have minded it, I always was mostly self employed and worked darn hard to get where I am. So to each their own, good luck if they win or lose.

With that said, I understand the union, like all union are against new technologies that cut down on the work force. Like some have posted in here, that other countries do. Robotic and computers unloading ships. So the demand for what might be excessive income will hasten the demise of many jobs there. Sure they may think they have an agreement to limit it and they will short term.

I have no idea what I am talking about *LOL* Just thoughts on my mind and to acknowledge that the cost of living in the NY metro area is insane. IN fact for some reason (no politics) many of the public servants are making far more income than the residents. You get what you vote for.
Good point. The highest earners are in NYC area. Workers in southern ports earn a lot less because their ports aren't always as busy which means inconsistent hours combined with the general lower cost of living. The difference in annual earnings between northern and southern workers could be $100k-$200k/yr
 
Longshoreman are far from the first to make this demand. When I used to have to go into UAW plants, there were plenty of people sleeping in the break room because their jobs had been automated away, but the union contract said they had to employ a certain number of people.

So I agree with your statement, but this is nothing new under the sun.
Oh I completely agree but we still need to call it out EVERY time the argument arises.

If "they" think we're desensitized to the shenanigans, they'll just become increasingly brazen in their requests/demands.
 
I was aware this was a possibility and we would not be getting in any product. They are going to piss off a lot of truckers in my area who rely on daily port calls to earn their living.

That union leader is a thug and using Covid as an excuse? Ya my wife isn't getting a 50% raise for working through that as a nurse. I hope they do automate the ports.
 
hat union leader is a thug and using Covid as an excuse? Ya my wife isn't getting a 50% raise for working through that as a nurse. I hope they do automate the ports.
i worked straight through covid in heavy industry. we were all just happy to get out of the house. not once were we “mad” we were making money.
 
I am not anti union ( airline industry is very unionized ) but I am anti this guys attitude when he tells everyone they will lose their jobs if they don’t get what he wants.

We just gave pilot strike notice up here but I would never put up with my union talking like this guy did to scare the public.
i worked straight through covid in heavy industry. we were all just happy to get out of the house. not once were we “mad” we were making money.
totally agree, very well said.
 
Organizing is about getting more $ for those in the group and thats it. If you need an attack dog to do so, so be it. It has been that way since labor laws were passed in the late 30's. I give organizers prior to that credit for getting a lot of good labor laws passed, but since then its purely about getting the most money for your group - which is 100% there right.

These ports will be automated, so they might as well get the most while they can. This is likely there last hurrah.

In the meantime - these are the companies that will "suffer". Forgive me if I don't feel too bad. Most of what comes into these ports is junk we don't need, and 75% of the containers leave empty showing how little trade is mutual.

https://www.axios.com/2024/09/30/port-workers-strike-2024-east-coast

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What you show here is fine, but beyond what you call “junk”, you are missing all the various products/chemicals that are used in the formulation of lubricants and metalworking fluids. Well beyond probably most on this post are aware of. And then all the various chemicals used in the production of coatings, adhesives, sealants and so on. It’s much more than Walmart and Home Depot. BTW, all the Christmas goods for the season already into the United States. I don’t feel sorry for the longshoreman either. Our ports should be automated like the rest of the world.
 
What you show here is fine, but beyond what you call “junk”, you are missing all the various products/chemicals that are used in the formulation of lubricants and metalworking fluids. Well beyond probably most on this post are aware of. And then all the various chemicals used in the production of coatings, adhesives, sealants and so on. It’s much more than Walmart and Home Depot. BTW, all the Christmas goods for the season already into the United States. I don’t feel sorry for the longshoreman either. Our ports should be automated like the rest of the world.
I said "most". I have read extensively through the statistics. Most of it is not what you reference. 90% is trinkets.

Don't throw the baby out with the bathwater? Maybe? How about we just import the stuff we need, and not the stuff we really do not?
 
CookieI was aware this was a possibility and we would not be getting in any product. They are going to piss off a lot of truckers in my area who rely on daily port calls to earn their living.

That union leader is a thug and using Covid as an excuse? Ya my wife isn't getting a 50% raise for working through that as a nurse. I hope they do automate the ports.

I work in healthcare.

Most nurses were lucky if their department got a tray of cookies or box of donuts for working during Covid.
Sad but true.

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