If that was the case, we also wouldn’t have crappy OE tires from the factory. The whole “if it was good, they’d do it stock” argument is a fairly bad and disingenuous because no, they won’t always do things or put things on that are good or better.
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I'm sure you'd be just fine - my Passat is that way and I've run Ceratec and currently MoS2 in it (2 cans for the 9qts) without issue/evidence of goo etc.
still dont mean the stuff is anything more then another snake oil...like a whole bunch of others..
Not really...This product just like other additives get talked about alot on this forum..Sorry you feel that way but I dont....
On the other hand it didn't prevent the tensioner from wearing out did it.
The product doesn't disperse in oil very well, so right away, no they aren't going to put this pre-"blended" into their jugs.
I don't know if it works or not, but it would take a lot more convincing when put against HPL.
I don't know if it works or not, but it would take a lot more convincing when put against HPL.
Neither did the HPL or any other oil I've used. The tensioner didn't wear out, it actually broke physically which isn't a lubrication-related failure which would be if the chain stretched/wore out prematurely which it didn't b/c using that same logic...drum roll...I used Ceratec...hahahaha
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I'm sorry that happened to you. That sucks.
Yeah, it happens and I really enjoy my car/drive it hard so this is all part of that type of use.
Let me ask you this seeing as you use HPL which I am sure is a fine product, have you asked them why because they make an premium product are they not using MoS2 or ceramic in their oils (LM doesnt either).
Sure, b/c their high-$$$/boutique oils handle what they need them to handle - I actually did have a convo early on with them when I was looking at testing some of their oil and the topic of tungsten/moly in the LM products came up. If you are LM and you can advertise/sell a product that has a high profit margin for those looking for anything they can get w/r to friction and wear reduction, why not sell these separately? I believe they do still sell the MoS2 oil (10W40?) with the product already added but this is aimed at older vehicles I believe. The concept that there must be some issue with an oil if an additive is sold/used by the same company or that folks wanting more than the OTS oils provide is a waste of money/snake oil is a bit odd to me. My local Euro shop that does the work I don't on my VWs...they build Euro race cars, support racing events, and race themselves. Unbelievable knowledge base between the owners (a married couple); he is a Bentley master tech and she is a mechanical engineer...I always listen to them. I've asked them this..."Do you guys ever use MoS2/Ceratec at the shop?" - "For some HD/race applications yes". So no, not for the kid in the GTI that does a few highway pulls with his buddies or a mountain run and no not for the guy that just drives his 3 series to work. They use LM and Redline products exclusively but aren't big advertisers or pushers of any of the additives/products.
Currently, I'm only using MoS2 in my W8 Passat to give those timing chains all the chance I can of survival for as long as I can - so this is silly to you for $15? I have run Ceratec in my Atlas 3.6 VR once and in my Sportwagen once. I've used MoS2 several times in my Sportwagen to try it for track use.
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Right, but the noise started before you were running @High Performance Lubricants anyways, correct? So clearly it was already fubar. The stuff is good, but it isn't "rebuild a tensioner that is already completely down the septic with Fat Albert after an entire pot of Chilli and he's allergic to peppers sits on the can" sort of magic, lol.
The noise started after I started running HPL - in April and I switched over to HPL in Feb. Edit, I had also run HPL EC for ~2K miles with the LM Molygen before that Feb change.
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Ahh, OK, I thought you started it in May, with the change after the noise.
May was the first change with HPL so HPL that had been in since Feb came out.
Goes back to cost. People can build you anything you want but you need to pony up the coin to get it. Most won't need it and the rest can't phathom the cost.
My bet is they know they know ceramic additives and MoS2 is not a good oil additive, and there are better options. If you remember, I asked a company that produces and sells nano ceramic powder what they thought about adding it to oil, when I ordered from them to use it to coat bullets. They flat out told me they advised against it, although people are doing it. They said it can and does fall out of suspension and there's no benefit to it, especially in vehicles that are not driven everyday. But hey to those who feel they're making their oil better buy adding it, go for it. Me I figure if someone is selling the stuff and advising me against using it in oil, that's enough for me.
These dust additives are working only on mechanical principles, no chemical benefits.
well,if they don't gather down in pan..
Organometallic compounds have not only ep aw properties, that's why I like those. And for example vti valves have fine meshes on them you don't want anything to block them, also engine parts tolerances are way smaller than 20 years ago.
well,if they don't gather down in pan..
Organometallic compounds have not only ep aw properties, that's why I like those. And for example vti valves have fine meshes on them you don't want anything to block them, also engine parts tolerances are way smaller than 20 years ago.
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