Let's throw cost of oil out the window

[ruking77]

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I never meant to say that higher cost dino means it is better either. Check the post on Valvoline Durablend. The discussion on dino is going where I wanted it to do in this post here, so for sake of not posting double, just go check the other post out on Durablend. Its toward the top of all current posts right now.
In a nut shell, nobody has any scientific way to prove that one dino is better than another, or that Havoline is the best, not even with VOA or UOA. Professionals create these formulations, and know what they are doing. The public seems to have a lot of misguided ways to form opinions as to which dino could be considered the best. With that, it is really impossible to have a discussion as to the case.

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Well that is especially true if you throw out all of the assumptions. So if it were your assertion that all oils are the same, well the VOA's and UOA's prove other wise!! If you want to say there is really no statistical differences given ABCDE....etc, then that is a whole different ball game.

I used to operate a fleet of step vans (looks like the FED EX, UPS neighborhood delivery vans) The head guy in charge of vehicle maintenance and I once had a discussion about what oil to use and why. He clearly said to me with 3k OCI and 50,000 mile shoot it in the head or change out engine parts I can use the mil spec (figuratively) right above used french fry fryer oil.

 

[grbr95]

Ruking77
It just "seems" that a VOA or UOA is just not reliable. Every single engine from the factory is going to respond and act differently then the next. Sadly, this is true. Peoples driving habits, weather conditions, etc etc..and on and on. I just think you have to reach a point where you say, "you know what? People in labs create this stuff and get paid a lot of money by the oil companies so they must know what they are doing." Right?

 

[Zaedock]

Blue_Goose
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posted January 04, 2006 11:47 PM
"Zaedock- I'm in Merrimack which is right next to Nashua..I hit ALL of the Walmarts within 20 minutes of my house on a religious basis....Amherst, Hudson, Bedford, Manchester and never see oil on a closeout...I did see a bottle of SL Havloline sitting on the shelf in Amherst last night...looked out of place because it had the 100 year anniversary front...though it might be on clearance....noticed the top was open and sure enough it was used oil that someone had returned! Guess that is a real clearance special!

Seriously I hit the Targets(3 of them) and all the AZ's AA's and Pep Boys at least weekly..never have seen oil on clearance.....I take that back...there was some ancient Shell in black bottles for 1.50 at the Milford AA...no thanks lol

Is the oil that is on clearance at Walmart in a different section than the oil??

Ok sorry for the thread hijack "
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The clearance oil at WalMart is usually on what I call the "cheapie" shelf located near/around auto.
My parents-in-law moved to Hudson from Nashua last year. I also went to ULowell years ago. Anyway, I figured PepBoys on Amherst street would of had something. Keep your eyes open.

I also apologize for hijack'n here!

 

[ruking77]

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Ruking77 It just "seems" that a VOA or UOA is just not reliable. Every single engine from the factory is going to respond and act differently then the next. Sadly, this is true. Peoples driving habits, weather conditions, etc etc..and on and on. I just think you have to reach a point where you say, "you know what? People in labs create this stuff and get paid a lot of money by the oil companies so they must know what they are doing." Right?

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As an absolute, I would agree totally.

However we are analysing TRENDS and data points that fall within a bell shaped curve. I hope I am being clear here.

Also there is quite a bit of variance IN the same product. For example Exxon Mobil Superflo 5w20 can be different than EXXONMobil Superflo5w20. Almost all of the time in practice we do have faith in the SAME products meeting the same standards or the standards being upheld. As you can deduce it is not always the case.

 

[grbr95]

Ruking77,
I see what you are saying. What a headache this can be. Frustrating too. I've been on the fence for the past year as to using Val A/C, Castrol GTX or Havoline. So I've used all three, and keep going back and forth as to which one I want to stay consistant with. For me personally, I like to stay consistant. That being said, I only use quick lube shops in the winter when it is too cold to do it myself and they don't stock Havoline, only Valvoline AC and Castrol, and whatever their bulk supply is (usually Penz/Quak). For me, this narrows my choices down to two, Val or GTX because of the fact I want to be consistant, I want to use what what Quick Lube stocks as well for those times I can't do it myself. I really think it's going to come down to me licking my finger, sticking it in the air, and making a decision, because I'm sure that even if I go with Valvoline that oil technology is going to double and tripple within the next decade to the point that nobody will ever need to run a UOA or VOA again, because simply, the standards will be so high, it just won't matter anymore.

 

[pitzel]

off-topic.