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Daddy, why did'nt the inspectors find any weapons of mass destruction in Iraq?
I don't know, Bill Clinton, Janet Reno, AlGore, Ted Kennedy, John Kerry, Tom Daschle, and the rest of the deomcrats said they were there and we should stop saddam before he could use them. Of course we did find those brand new Mig29's buried under the sand and those drums of chemicals to make weapons.
Why are the Democrats angry at the President for attacking Iraq?
Its because they did'nt do it and the president did.
I'm confused, if they had all those weapons, why did'nt they use them when we went to war with them?
Because they did'nt have the time to use them before we wiped out their army.
I don't know about you, but I don't think they had those weapons.
Silly girl, the Democrats said they had them.
Even if they did'nt have those weapons, saddam was a cruel dictator who tortured his people.
Like China?
No China is good, thats why Bill Clinton bypassed the security check for an agent of chinese military intelligence and tried to close one of our Navy bases so he could sell it to the chinese government.
Anyway, Saddam Hussien came to power by a military coup, so he is an illegitimate ruler.
You mean like in Hati. No the democrats supported Aristide so he is good.
Well what about all those countries in Africa? they are run by people who came to power by military coups?
Again you are being silly, Bill Clinton and the U.N. gave them lots of money for their Swiss bank accounts so they must be good.
Why did we invade Afghanistan?
Because thats where the people who were responsible for murdering the innocent people in the world trade towers were hiding.
But the hijackers were Saudis!
Yes, but when you are hunting rats, you don't look for the rat hole where they were born but rather the one they are living in.
Why are we mad at the french and germans?
Because they were making a lot of money selling munitions to Saddam and kept asking for more proof so they could keep on making a lot of money. The last time the french asked for more proof, it came marching in under a german flag.
We even renamed french fries and french toast freedom fries and freedom toast, just like we renamed Sauerkraut liberty cabbage in World War one when we were fighting the germans.
I won't bother to parody the rest of your idiocies since you are simply parroting some left wing flack it would serve no purpose
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We just enjoyed eight years of peace and prosperity with Democrats down the road not traveled. Before that we had Bush 1, with economic problems, and after that we have Bush 2, with the world suddenly in a total mess, corresponding exactly with his watch. The pattern seems pretty clear...

I'll gladly take that road not traveled

So in other words ignore the problem and it will go away? That sounds about as stupid as Sheryl Crow saying "The best way to avoid war is to not have enemies". When you let poeple get away with everything it will seem peacefull for awhile, until something like 9/11 happens.
 
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Going into Iraq to get the WMD that the appropriate authority was asking for more time investigate...bad

How long did they need? They had 12 years of Iraqs incompliance with the UN resolutions! How long do you wait before you act? Its like telling your kids "If you do that one more time....", and then never acting on it. The UN has lost all credibility for not enforcing any of its resolutions. Now with the Oil for Food corruption that was going on, some of this will eventually come to light.
 
It still doesn't change the fact that troops, special forces, language specialist, etc., were diverted from Afghanistan, where everyone acknowledged that Al Queda and Osama were located, the people responsible for 9/11, to Iraq, where they weren't. As a concequence Osama is still lurking about, and in the meantime we've probably managed to create more terrorists than Osama was able to. We have managed make the US more detested in the international community than at any time in recent memory.
 
Lets look at something here.It keeps coming up that we had 8 years of peace when Clinton was in.Doesn't it seem ironic that those years of so called peace led to an attack on the US.The US is hated by some regardless of what we do.The US could pull every soldier home and they would still come up with a so called reason to hate us.During those so called peaceful years Al Queda(spelling)was learning how and when to attack the US.They had a free run of doing what they wanted by training,coming up with plans,how to achieve those plans and when to do the final act,except for the attack by Clinton on the aspirin factory,that probably slowed them down terribly
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.The terrorists plans didn't come about in a few days or few months.The attack was a well planned and thought out endeavor and was planned during the 'peaceful' Clinton years.My fear is that while I may not agree with Bush 100%, a liberal,stick your head in the sand and it will go away Kerry will win the presidency.If he wins maybe we can have 8 more years of 'Clinton Peace' before we are struck again by terrorists.Maybe this will give them enough time to buy a nuke or develop a chemical or biological weapon that will kill several thousand of people to use on us.Go Kerry Go!!
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Any Democrat want to explain to me why it was OK in 1998 to have a president use force to enforce UN resolutions and protect America without UN approval yet now when Bush does it, everyone howls in discontent? Transcript from the Democrats fearless leader explaining his actions in December 1998 right around the time Lewinskys dress was being splooged on: Original link : http://www.cnn.com/ALLPOLITICS/stories/1998/12/16/transcripts/clinton.html

"Earlier today, I ordered America's armed forces to strike military and security targets in Iraq. They are joined by British forces. Their mission is to attack Iraq's nuclear, chemical and biological weapons programs and its military capacity to threaten its neighbors.

Their purpose is to protect the national interest of the United States, and indeed the interests of people throughout the Middle East and around the world.

Saddam Hussein must not be allowed to threaten his neighbors or the world with nuclear arms, poison gas or biological weapons.

I want to explain why I have decided, with the unanimous recommendation of my national security team, to use force in Iraq; why we have acted now; and what we aim to accomplish.

Six weeks ago, Saddam Hussein announced that he would no longer cooperate with the United Nations weapons inspectors called UNSCOM. They are highly professional experts from dozens of countries. Their job is to oversee the elimination of Iraq's capability to retain, create and use weapons of mass destruction, and to verify that Iraq does not attempt to rebuild that capability.

The inspectors undertook this mission first 7.5 years ago at the end of the Gulf War when Iraq agreed to declare and destroy its arsenal as a condition of the ceasefire.

The international community had good reason to set this requirement. Other countries possess weapons of mass destruction and ballistic missiles. With Saddam, there is one big difference: He has used them. Not once, but repeatedly. Unleashing chemical weapons against Iranian troops during a decade-long war. Not only against soldiers, but against civilians, firing Scud missiles at the citizens of Israel, Saudi Arabia, Bahrain and Iran. And not only against a foreign enemy, but even against his own people, gassing Kurdish civilians in Northern Iraq.

The international community had little doubt then, and I have no doubt today, that left unchecked, Saddam Hussein will use these terrible weapons again.

The United States has patiently worked to preserve UNSCOM as Iraq has sought to avoid its obligation to cooperate with the inspectors. On occasion, we've had to threaten military force, and Saddam has backed down.

Faced with Saddam's latest act of defiance in late October, we built intensive diplomatic pressure on Iraq backed by overwhelming military force in the region. The UN Security Council voted 15 to zero to condemn Saddam's actions and to demand that he immediately come into compliance.

Eight Arab nations -- Egypt, Syria, Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, Bahrain, Qatar, United Arab Emirates and Oman -- warned that Iraq alone would bear responsibility for the consequences of defying the UN.

When Saddam still failed to comply, we prepared to act militarily. It was only then at the last possible moment that Iraq backed down. It pledged to the UN that it had made, and I quote, a clear and unconditional decision to resume cooperation with the weapons inspectors.

I decided then to call off the attack with our airplanes already in the air because Saddam had given in to our demands. I concluded then that the right thing to do was to use restraint and give Saddam one last chance to prove his willingness to cooperate.

I made it very clear at that time what unconditional cooperation meant, based on existing UN resolutions and Iraq's own commitments. And along with Prime Minister Blair of Great Britain, I made it equally clear that if Saddam failed to cooperate fully, we would be prepared to act without delay, diplomacy or warning.

Now over the past three weeks, the UN weapons inspectors have carried out their plan for testing Iraq's cooperation. The testing period ended this weekend, and last night, UNSCOM's chairman, Richard Butler, reported the results to UN Secretary-General Annan.

The conclusions are stark, sobering and profoundly disturbing.

In four out of the five categories set forth, Iraq has failed to cooperate. Indeed, it actually has placed new restrictions on the inspectors. Here are some of the particulars.

Iraq repeatedly blocked UNSCOM from inspecting suspect sites. For example, it shut off access to the headquarters of its ruling party and said it will deny access to the party's other offices, even though UN resolutions make no exception for them and UNSCOM has inspected them in the past.

Iraq repeatedly restricted UNSCOM's ability to obtain necessary evidence. For example, Iraq obstructed UNSCOM's effort to photograph bombs related to its chemical weapons program.

It tried to stop an UNSCOM biological weapons team from videotaping a site and photocopying documents and prevented Iraqi personnel from answering UNSCOM's questions.

Prior to the inspection of another site, Iraq actually emptied out the building, removing not just documents but even the furniture and the equipment.

Iraq has failed to turn over virtually all the documents requested by the inspectors. Indeed, we know that Iraq ordered the destruction of weapons-related documents in anticipation of an UNSCOM inspection.

So Iraq has abused its final chance.

As the UNSCOM reports concludes, and again I quote, "Iraq's conduct ensured that no progress was able to be made in the fields of disarmament.

"In light of this experience, and in the absence of full cooperation by Iraq, it must regrettably be recorded again that the commission is not able to conduct the work mandated to it by the Security Council with respect to Iraq's prohibited weapons program."

In short, the inspectors are saying that even if they could stay in Iraq, their work would be a sham.

Saddam's deception has defeated their effectiveness. Instead of the inspectors disarming Saddam, Saddam has disarmed the inspectors.

This situation presents a clear and present danger to the stability of the Persian Gulf and the safety of people everywhere. The international community gave Saddam one last chance to resume cooperation with the weapons inspectors. Saddam has failed to seize the chance.

And so we had to act and act now.

Let me explain why.

First, without a strong inspection system, Iraq would be free to retain and begin to rebuild its chemical, biological and nuclear weapons programs in months, not years.

Second, if Saddam can crippled the weapons inspection system and get away with it, he would conclude that the international community -- led by the United States -- has simply lost its will. He will surmise that he has free rein to rebuild his arsenal of destruction, and someday -- make no mistake -- he will use it again as he has in the past.

Third, in halting our air strikes in November, I gave Saddam a chance, not a license. If we turn our backs on his defiance, the credibility of U.S. power as a check against Saddam will be destroyed. We will not only have allowed Saddam to shatter the inspection system that controls his weapons of mass destruction program; we also will have fatally undercut the fear of force that stops Saddam from acting to gain domination in the region.

That is why, on the unanimous recommendation of my national security team -- including the vice president, the secretary of defense, the chairman of the joint chiefs of staff, the secretary of state and the national security adviser -- I have ordered a strong, sustained series of air strikes against Iraq.

They are designed to degrade Saddam's capacity to develop and deliver weapons of mass destruction, and to degrade his ability to threaten his neighbors.

At the same time, we are delivering a powerful message to Saddam. If you act recklessly, you will pay a heavy price. We acted today because, in the judgment of my military advisers, a swift response would provide the most surprise and the least opportunity for Saddam to prepare.

If we had delayed for even a matter of days from Chairman Butler's report, we would have given Saddam more time to disperse his forces and protect his weapons.

Also, the Muslim holy month of Ramadan begins this weekend. For us to initiate military action during Ramadan would be profoundly offensive to the Muslim world and, therefore, would damage our relations with Arab countries and the progress we have made in the Middle East.

That is something we wanted very much to avoid without giving Iraq's a month's head start to prepare for potential action against it.

Finally, our allies, including Prime Minister Tony Blair of Great Britain, concurred that now is the time to strike. I hope Saddam will come into cooperation with the inspection system now and comply with the relevant UN Security Council resolutions. But we have to be prepared that he will not, and we must deal with the very real danger he poses.

So we will pursue a long-term strategy to contain Iraq and its weapons of mass destruction and work toward the day when Iraq has a government worthy of its people.

First, we must be prepared to use force again if Saddam takes threatening actions, such as trying to reconstitute his weapons of mass destruction or their delivery systems, threatening his neighbors, challenging allied aircraft over Iraq or moving against his own Kurdish citizens.

The credible threat to use force, and when necessary, the actual use of force, is the surest way to contain Saddam's weapons of mass destruction program, curtail his aggression and prevent another Gulf War.

Second, so long as Iraq remains out of compliance, we will work with the international community to maintain and enforce economic sanctions. Sanctions have cost Saddam more than $120 billion -- resources that would have been used to rebuild his military. The sanctions system allows Iraq to sell oil for food, for medicine, for other humanitarian supplies for the Iraqi people.

We have no quarrel with them. But without the sanctions, we would see the oil-for-food program become oil-for-tanks, resulting in a greater threat to Iraq's neighbors and less food for its people.

The hard fact is that so long as Saddam remains in power, he threatens the well-being of his people, the peace of his region, the security of the world.

The best way to end that threat once and for all is with a new Iraqi government -- a government ready to live in peace with its neighbors, a government that respects the rights of its people. Bringing change in Baghdad will take time and effort. We will strengthen our engagement with the full range of Iraqi opposition forces and work with them effectively and prudently.

The decision to use force is never cost-free. Whenever American forces are placed in harm's way, we risk the loss of life. And while our strikes are focused on Iraq's military capabilities, there will be unintended Iraqi casualties.

Indeed, in the past, Saddam has intentionally placed Iraqi civilians in harm's way in a cynical bid to sway international opinion.

We must be prepared for these realities. At the same time, Saddam should have absolutely no doubt if he lashes out at his neighbors, we will respond forcefully.

Heavy as they are, the costs of action must be weighed against the price of inaction. If Saddam defies the world and we fail to respond, we will face a far greater threat in the future. Saddam will strike again at his neighbors. He will make war on his own people.

And mark my words, he will develop weapons of mass destruction. He will deploy them, and he will use them.

Because we're acting today, it is less likely that we will face these dangers in the future.

Let me close by addressing one other issue. Saddam Hussein and the other enemies of peace may have thought that the serious debate currently before the House of Representatives would distract Americans or weaken our resolve to face him down.

But once more, the United States has proven that although we are never eager to use force, when we must act in America's vital interests, we will do so.

In the century we're leaving, America has often made the difference between chaos and community, fear and hope. Now, in the new century, we'll have a remarkable opportunity to shape a future more peaceful than the past, but only if we stand strong against the enemies of peace.

Tonight, the United States is doing just that. May God bless and protect the brave men and women who are carrying out this vital mission and their families. And may God bless America."
 
The Democrats are no better. Some have the opinion that the U.S. Military does not exist to enforce UN mandates, rather it exists to protect the security of the United States. It's all hindsight now, so there is really no reason to further the Iraq war debate.
 
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.......when Bush does it, everyone howls in discontent?

1) Iraq was not a threat to the U.S. in particular, or the Coallition in general. (remember, it's no longer WMD, but the liberation of the people).

2) The actions required BY the resolution were to RECONVENE to develop a strategy, not to immediately start a war. So a pre-emptive war is not actually enforcing the U.N. resolution, but unilaterally bypassing it.
 
Nice try trying to take my quote out of context. Again I'll say it - read what Clinton said was the scenario and justification for bombing Iraq in 1998 (above post) and tell me how it differs from Bush's approach? There is none, hence why are people whining about Bush and no one said a word, especially the "international community" about Clinton's blatant sidesteping of the UN and his Euro allies?


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Originally posted by 2x:
.......when Bush does it, everyone howls in discontent?

1) Iraq was not a threat to the U.S. in particular, or the Coallition in general. (remember, it's no longer WMD, but the liberation of the people).

2) The actions required BY the resolution were to RECONVENE to develop a strategy, not to immediately start a war. So a pre-emptive war is not actually enforcing the U.N. resolution, but unilaterally bypassing it.


 
There was quite a bit of international criticism of Clinton (at least reported down here) at the time.

A lot of Australians were against that, and considered Clinton a risk to world security as well.
 
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So a pre-emptive war is not actually enforcing the U.N. resolution, but unilaterally bypassing it.

Being an anti-Socialist and Anti-Globalist, in my view this was the best course of action, since the UN has no army capable of doing anything and simply panders to other world socialists and Globalists.

The UN has been anti-US and anti-Zionist for some time, so by-pass them and let us get the job done.

With the UN, you're danged if you do and danged if you don't.

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The US was not acting on behalf of the UN when it invaded Iraq.

And for good reason as stated above.


BTW, what happened to the Food for Oil scandal and will the UN sweep this under the rug as well?
 
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The US was not acting on behalf of the UN when it invaded Iraq.

And for good reason as stated above.


But the only internationally legal way of attacking another country (without U.N. involvement) is when you are either under direct attack from that country, or an attack is imminent.
 
Using the 'I'm justified in pre-emptive strikes if I feel threatened' argument would have led to WWIII a long time ago. LeMay was pushing for an all out nuclear strike against the Soviets during the Cuban missile crisis, but Kennedy resisted.
 
The only thing anyone questioned here in the US was the dubious timing of the missle strike as it coincided with the Lewinsky scandal. Very few questioned the validity of bombing Iraq, certainly not the Democrats.

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Originally posted by Shannow:
There was quite a bit of international criticism of Clinton (at least reported down here) at the time.

A lot of Australians were against that, and considered Clinton a risk to world security as well.


 
The discovery of mustard gas and Sarin in the last weeks has changed the liberal song from "no WMD's" to "only old WMD's" or "but there is no huge stockpile of WMD's". If you only watch/listen to ABC/CBS/NBC/MSNBC/CNN/NPR you wouldn't know there was anything happening in Iraq other than excessive prisoner interrogations - which we already knew about and stopped in January.

You can't win when the rules of the game change to generate the intended result. Totally pointless.

Over and out.

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The U.S. detestd by the international community more than any time in recent history?
Come off it! We have always been detested by the international community. Americans have been looked on by the Eurpoeans as upstarts and boors as long as we have been a country. We are thought of as being "unsophisticated" in comparison to their "ancient traditions" The only reason the French helped us in the revolution was because they hated the British. When British citizens got off the boat in Boston, no matter what their status in the U.K. was, They immediatly became loutish colonials.

The arabs hate us because if it was not for our technology, they would still be squatting in the sand to relieve themselves, they would certainly not have the medical care or all the other benefits of an advanced culture that they failed to achieve on their own. they may have been advanced at the time of the Crusades but they haven't done much since then.
American Presidents have been looked down on since the country was founded, and a good example was the attitude towards Theodore Roosevelt.

In short, I really don't give a damm about the opinion of the international comunity. To quote the Romans, "I don't care if they hate us, as long as they fear us."
 
Danged right and Well stated:

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In short, I really don't give a damm about the opinion of the international comunity. To quote the Romans, "I don't care if they hate us, as long as they fear us."

Maybe that's why they would prefer someone like Kerry or another Clinton.

The Dems and the socialist Europeans remind me of a classroom of boys. Three of the boys are class bullies. One boy does not take any crap and fights back. The other boys are pacifist/appeaser and will do anything to please or passify the bullies.

Who do think the bullies respect, the pacifists/appeasers or the guy who fights back and is feared?

Same way with criminals in the US. If you don't shoot back, the homeowners and store owners won't be respected by the criminal.

The bully always prays upon the pacifist/appeaser and CONTIUES to take advantage.

And the more concessionary the appeaser, the more freedom the appeaser loses.

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